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    U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans will be unlikely to compromise on immigration reform unless U.S. borders are first secured, and the possibility of a broad immigration bill reaching President Barack Obama's desk this year is "clearly in doubt," Representative Paul Ryan said on Sunday.
    "Security first, no amnesty, then we might be able to get somewhere," Ryan said on ABC's "This Week."

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    I really hope they hold this line...There is no way that border security will be enforced once the demo's get their amnesty passed. Plus, despite demo's whispering into some repub's ears about how they need to appeal to the hispanic vote through amnesty, it has never helped in the past...

    According to Pew Research it reads as such:

    Year Democratic candidate Republican candidate Democratic
    advantage
    1980 Jimmy Carter, 56% Ronald Reagan, 35% +21
    1984 Walter Mondale, 61% Ronald Reagan, 37% +24
    1988 Michael Dukakis, 69% George H.W. Bush, 30% +39
    1992 Bill Clinton, 61% George H.W. Bush, 25% +36
    1996 Bill Clinton, 72% Bob Dole, 21% +51
    2000 Al Gore, 62% George W. Bush, 35% +27
    2004 John Kerry, 58% George W. Bush, 40% +18
    2008 Barack Obama, 67% John McCain, 31% +36
    2012 Barack Obama, 71% Mitt Romney, 27% +44

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/201...l_11-07-12.pdf
    Note that in 1984, AFTER Reagan granted amnesty Mondale garnered 61% of the Hispanic vote over Reagan's 37%, a 24% difference for Mondale. Further, 4 years later, Dukakis, a real laughing stock of a candidate, garnered 69% to H.W. Bush's 25%, a 39% difference for demo's...And finally, G.W. Bush's numbers? Bush was supposedly so in tune with hispanic voters as former Gov. of TX, and a big comprehensive immigration reform proponent only got 40% of the first vote, to Kerry's 58%.....That was the lowest differential in 30 years, but still a full 18% down....

    Face it we could grant amnesty to every Hispanic, and their families for the next hundred years, and Hispanic's are NOT going to vote for us, period!

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    I have to say, Ryan has restored my faith that at least some republicans are still listening to us on the issue. "Security first, no amnesty, then we might be able to get somewhere" should be etched on every rep and senator's forehead.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now. The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders. Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now. The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders. Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.
    I'd almost buy that last but for Arizona republicans passing bills to do precisely that, bills which the Obama admin did their best to quash. Besides, it's not just the big businesses hiring illegals, it's everything from Mom & Pop stores to individuals. Not to mention the now large network of illegal alien support other illegals before them have built.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Is it true that more illegal aliens have been deported under Obama than any president of recent past?

    If so, I say kudos for him.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'd almost buy that last but for Arizona republicans passing bills to do precisely that, bills which the Obama admin did their best to quash. Besides, it's not just the big businesses hiring illegals, it's everything from Mom & Pop stores to individuals. Not to mention the now large network of illegal alien support other illegals before them have built.
    You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now.
    That is a part of the puzzle for sure mak2, and needs to be done, as well as border security before any discussion of what the fate is of the illegals in country now.

    The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders.
    Again QFT. Are you, or are Americans ready to pay $10 per pound for Apples in season? Are they ready for the $15 bag of grapes? Which is more important, cheap food, or a secure free country?

    No country can exist with open borders, it is impossible, especially when you consider the welfare state that exists today.

    Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.
    The illegal problem is responsible for many hard working housing contractors loosing their business, unable to keep up with rock bottom bids for work, and the problem is getting worse. With licensing laws getting more lax as to 'sanctuary' cities, and states loosening up license laws is getting more involved in transportation, and logistics as well...These are some of the last middle class, blue collar jobs we have left, and it needs to stop.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?
    Some yes but not the way you portray, and only certain provisions were ruled unconstitutional FOR THE STATE TO DO, though Obama held up entire bills - including provisions to go after employers of illegals.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Is it true that more illegal aliens have been deported under Obama than any president of recent past?

    If so, I say kudos for him.
    No, it is not true....

    ...figures recently unearthed by a federal lawsuit in Texas cast serious doubt on the administration’s deportation claims. The number of deportations appears to have declined significantly during the president’s term in office.

    Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, has analyzed a set of largely unpublished official statistics on immigration-enforcement activity over the past five years. Earlier this month, Vaughan testified in court on behalf of a group of U.S. Immigration and Customs (ICE) agents who are suing the administration over its use of “prosecutorial discretion” in dictating how immigration law is enforced — or not enforced. The agents are seeking an injunction against a series of policy directives from ICE and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that were designed to regulate the extent to which ICE officers could initiate deportation proceedings for illegal immigrants in their custody.


    In her testimony on April 8, Vaughan noted that, contrary to the administration’s claims, the number of illegal-immigrant removals has dropped 40 percent since June 2011, when ICE director John Morton issued the first of several directives outlining significant changes to the agency’s enforcement policies. “There has been a significant decline in enforcement activity as measured by the number of removals,” Vaughan says.
    Deportations specifically of illegal immigrants convicted of a crime — individuals the administration says it has prioritized for removal — are similarly down, almost 40 percent since June 2011, Vaughan found. And that decline has occurred despite a significant increase in the number of illegal immigrants referred to ICE after being arrested for crimes. “There are certainly enough illegal aliens out there, especially enough criminal illegal aliens, that their numbers should be going up, not down,” Vaughan says. “So they appear to be giving a lot of free passes to people who are a public-safety problem, beyond the fact that they are here illegally.”

    Removals generated by ICE’s Enforcement and Removals division, which is responsible for interior immigration enforcement, have decreased nearly 50 percent since June 2011. Vaughan says the administration has been inflating its deportation statistics by including a greater number of U.S. Border Patrol cases — illegal immigrants picked up at the border and subsequently referred to ICE — as part of its annual statistics. Border Patrol cases accounted for 56 percent of removals reported in fiscal year 2013, up from 33 percent in 2008. Typically, an individual apprehended at the southern border is simply returned to Mexico without being processed as a deportation by ICE.

    Vaughan says this undermines the administration’s claim that pursuing criminal cases is its top priority. This was the primary argument that DHS secretary Janet Napolitano put forward in June 2012, when she issued a directive instructing ICE officers to refrain from initiating deportation proceedings for illegal immigrants who might qualify for “DREAM status” — immigrants who were brought here illegally, are currently enrolled in school or the military, and have not been convicted of a serious crime. “They have been justifying policies by saying it enables them to focus more on criminals,” Vaughan says. “What’s happening is actually the opposite. The majority of resources are going toward supporting Border Patrol activity.”

    The Deportation Lie | National Review Online
    Internal documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee show that the Obama administration has been “cooking the books” in order to reach their “record” number of deported illegal immigrants, chairman Rep. Lamar Smith said Friday.

    Based on the internal U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) documents, the number of removals are actually down, the opposite of what the administration has been claiming.



    Read more: New documents reveal Obama administration 'cooking the books' to achieve record deportation numbers | The Daily Caller
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?
    Nonsense, I suppose this is where liberals come in to distort, and misrepresent. Congrats, it only took til post #6.
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