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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Close the borders first. Or at least along side of cutting off the gravy train.
    Do you really think there is a practical way of closing the border? How?
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you really think there is a practical way of closing the border? How?
    Yes. We bring home all US troops on foreign soil and station them along the US Border, in their PROPER role. We create a 200 yard "No Man's Land" inside the border. Anyone in that area the ROE is... Stoot First. Shoot Second. Leave it there to rot.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes. We bring home all US troops on foreign soil and station them along the US Border, in their PROPER role. We create a 200 yard "No Man's Land" inside the border. Anyone in that area the ROE is... Stoot First. Shoot Second. Leave it there to rot.
    8th amendment, due process, probable cause? who needs it?
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes. We bring home all US troops on foreign soil and station them along the US Border, in their PROPER role. We create a 200 yard "No Man's Land" inside the border. Anyone in that area the ROE is... Stoot First. Shoot Second. Leave it there to rot.
    Practical.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    8th amendment, due process, probable cause? who needs it?
    You're either trying to enter or exit the country illegally, so there is no need for any of that crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Practical.
    Very much so. I've got more extensive ideas on a means to further secure the borderS (Mexico AND Canada) but they require a dismanteling of the social welfare net first.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You're either trying to enter or exit the country illegally, so there is no need for any of that crap.
    Really? which federal law makes it illegal to exit the country? please cite the statute.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Really? which federal law makes it illegal to exit the country? please cite the statute.
    There are plenty of federal laws related to tresspassing on Federal Property, which that 200 yard buffer zone would be. In many instances deadly force is authorized if you do so.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are plenty of federal laws related to tresspassing on Federal Property, which that 200 yard buffer zone would be. In many instances deadly force is authorized if you do so.
    You would have the government buy up all of the land within 200 yards of the borders and station the military to shoot anyone who tries to cross.

    It seems to me that there is already a nation in the world that has such a system in place, one that doesn't want the people from the south to enter their worker's paradise in the north, one that is satisfyingly authoritarian. No doubt it would be worth emulating that nation.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are plenty of federal laws related to tresspassing on Federal Property, which that 200 yard buffer zone would be. In many instances deadly force is authorized if you do so.
    federal property means an installation closed to the public, not public land on the international border. and deadly force is not authorized merely for being in "buffer zones" the "USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED" sign looks cool, but it's not how things work. use of deadly force authorized when trying to steal federal property, making armed incursions, etc etc etc. and only when reasonable to do so. tell me how many people who've attempted to enter Area 51 have been shot.... none.

    Furthermore, the constitution prohibits use of deadly force except as reasonably nessecary to preserve life (Garner v. Tennessee) and the Constitutional protections apply to aliens as well as citizens.

    people go up to the border all the time. there's towns that literally touch the border, your kill team going to execute the entire population of Nogales? cemetaries, missions, other historic sites are located on the border, and the areas on the border are popular with hikers, backpackers etc. your idea is a stupid one. and it's totally illegal.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You would have the government buy up all of the land within 200 yards of the borders and station the military to shoot anyone who tries to cross.

    It seems to me that there is already a nation in the world that has such a system in place, one that doesn't want the people from the south to enter their worker's paradise in the north, one that is satisfyingly authoritarian. No doubt it would be worth emulating that nation.
    No. I'd have the Government CONFISCATE that land, along with a similar buffer along the Canadian border. Eventually it would be constructed to be a dual level defensive perimeter that would make the coastal defenses of Normandy look like paper mache. Between the levels would be a "no man's land/minefield" with overwatch from the interior defensive perimeter and electronic surveilance..

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