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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    And vote for who?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes?\

    First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
    Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

    Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

    No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

    We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

    But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

    First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes:

    First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
    Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

    Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

    No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

    We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

    But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

    First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.
    Ok, well, what's wrong with closing the borders first, and making sure that we don't still have the leaky roof? You seem to be remodeling the room before fixing the leak...
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I really hope they hold this line...There is no way that border security will be enforced once the demo's get their amnesty passed. Plus, despite demo's whispering into some repub's ears about how they need to appeal to the hispanic vote through amnesty, it has never helped in the past...

    According to Pew Research it reads as such:


    Note that in 1984, AFTER Reagan granted amnesty Mondale garnered 61% of the Hispanic vote over Reagan's 37%, a 24% difference for Mondale. Further, 4 years later, Dukakis, a real laughing stock of a candidate, garnered 69% to H.W. Bush's 25%, a 39% difference for demo's...And finally, G.W. Bush's numbers? Bush was supposedly so in tune with hispanic voters as former Gov. of TX, and a big comprehensive immigration reform proponent only got 40% of the first vote, to Kerry's 58%.....That was the lowest differential in 30 years, but still a full 18% down....

    Face it we could grant amnesty to every Hispanic, and their families for the next hundred years, and Hispanic's are NOT going to vote for us, period!

    Thoughts?
    Not sure about Central American or South American Hispanic illegal aliens and legal immigrants but Mexican illegal aliens and legal immigrants believe that government is the source of success which means they want free stuff from government.

    The Democrat Party promises free stuff in exchange for votes.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont see it as it is the evil workers putting the emplyers at risk, it is the other way around. The illegals have no power, corporations have the power in this counrty.
    There are some employers, contractors, etc., who don't check any kind of background for illegals. They simply ask, "are you legal", and move on from there. Obviously, these employers know better, but hey, I suppose they consider labor to be labor.

    However, it is the majority of illegal aliens who present forged documents and other fraudulent types of ID that I refer to. What happens when an employee, or a group of employees are found to be illegal? The operation of that company could be severely impacted, affecting everyone, including those who are legally working. The illegal alien worker knew they were not legally allowed to work there, but they did so anyway, ignoring what could happen to those around them.

    Again, this holds true to their families, and even their US born children. If these people cared, they would not put so many at risk for their actions. They couldn't care less and use whatever excuse they think works.

    I find that disgusting.

    As I wrote, there is nothing heroic about illegal aliens. They are here to exploit only, and that includes those they surround themselves with.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Not sure about Central American or South American Hispanic illegal aliens and legal immigrants but Mexican illegal aliens and legal immigrants believe that government is the source of success which means they want free stuff from government.

    The Democrat Party promises free stuff in exchange for votes.


    Lets not forget Johnny Quest McCain calling for more Worker visas. Others calling for More Student visas, plus didn't Schumer want to come up with another type of Visa?

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Three Steps to stopping illegal immigration and making them go back home.

    1. Any company that hires an illegal, any person that pays an illegal for work is first given a warning. Nice men in suits show up, present the evidence, explain how NOT to hire illegals and then what will happen if they do so again. On the second offense, the company is find $10,000 per illegal per working day. A third offense will land the CEO/OWNER and/or manager in charge in prison for up to two years.

    2. Aside from emergency care, no subsidy or assistance of any kind if you are here illegally. No food, no shelter, no nothing.

    3. Any child determined to be here illegally, will be denied access to school. (a major draw is bringing children to the States for free public education).
    *Oh and end the Anchor Baby bull****.

    Do the above, watch the illegals head home.

    Of course, this is "mean" and would "Hurt children and families" so it won't ever happen. We'll just keep doing nothing, letting illegals work for slave labor, feeding them, caring for them, educating them till the dollar implodes.

    Because people, when faced with an emotional choice, tend to make stupid decisions.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I really hope they hold this line...There is no way that border security will be enforced once the demo's get their amnesty passed. Plus, despite demo's whispering into some repub's ears about how they need to appeal to the hispanic vote through amnesty, it has never helped in the past...

    According to Pew Research it reads as such:



    Note that in 1984, AFTER Reagan granted amnesty Mondale garnered 61% of the Hispanic vote over Reagan's 37%, a 24% difference for Mondale. Further, 4 years later, Dukakis, a real laughing stock of a candidate, garnered 69% to H.W. Bush's 25%, a 39% difference for demo's...And finally, G.W. Bush's numbers? Bush was supposedly so in tune with hispanic voters as former Gov. of TX, and a big comprehensive immigration reform proponent only got 40% of the first vote, to Kerry's 58%.....That was the lowest differential in 30 years, but still a full 18% down....

    Face it we could grant amnesty to every Hispanic, and their families for the next hundred years, and Hispanic's are NOT going to vote for us, period!

    Thoughts?
    I think security first before amnesty is still a bad deal. A government that sues states for trying to crack down on illegal immigration while ignoring states that encourage illegal immigration will never be trusted to secure the border in exchange for amnesty regardless if its amnesty first before security or security first before amnesty. Immigration reform should never have any amnesty,dream acts, pathway to citizenship, a promise to pay fines in exchange for legalization or any other form of amnesty period. Immigration reform should only consist of measures to discourage illegal immigration and the discourage the encouragement of illegal immigration.

    Immigration reform should consist of the following-



    1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities.

    2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate( in rare cases a non-availability birth certificate where it has been investigated that the individual was born in the US), green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your minor kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities

    3.Mandate E-verify for every employer,school and government office.

    4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.

    5.Seeing how many of these people here illegally came her on a visa and let it expire we should also cut off visas to citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with until those numbers go down.

    6.Any elected or appointed official who encourages illegal immigrants will be thrown into prison,permanently barred from any elected or appointed office, be denied any legal licenses and etc.

    7.Hire enough border agents to actually secure the border and arm them.

    8.Anyone caught aiding illegals should be thrown into prison.It doesn't matter if they are simply leaving water out in the desert for illegals or smuggling them.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    What I just love is when Mexican leaders lecture us on how we must show compassion, however in their own countries:

    Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

    Read more: Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times
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    Yet, Jan Brewer was the "bad guy"?

    Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

    • Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)


    • Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)


    • Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)


    • The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

    Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

    • Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)


    • A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)


    • A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

    Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

    • Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)


    • Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

    Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

    • Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)


    • Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)


    • Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

    • “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)


    • Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)


    • Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

    Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

    • A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)


    • Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

    All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American

    immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

    Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home | Human Events
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, well, what's wrong with closing the borders first, and making sure that we don't still have the leaky roof? You seem to be remodeling the room before fixing the leak...
    If they can't get government services here, can't work there, they won't come here. How else are we going to close the borders?

    As for the criminals, we'll have to deport them. We don't want to have to pay to put them in our jails, after all, and I'm sure they'll be better off in jails in their home countries.

    Especially places like Mexico and Guatemala. I hear their prisoners aren't anxious to get back in once they get out.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they can't get government services here, can't work there, they won't come here. How else are we going to close the borders?

    As for the criminals, we'll have to deport them. We don't want to have to pay to put them in our jails, after all, and I'm sure they'll be better off in jails in their home countries.

    Especially places like Mexico and Guatemala. I hear their prisoners aren't anxious to get back in once they get out.

    Close the borders first. Or at least along side of cutting off the gravy train.
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