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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Here is what Cantor stated yesterday. Seems he left an opening.


    Cantor: Immigration reform should begin where both parties can agree.....



    Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican, said Sunday that securing the nation’s borders and enforcing immigration laws is a precursor to any talk of legal status or citizenship.

    We need a clear, certain, determined ability to get the situation on the border straight and implement laws on the interior so people across the country can have faith that the laws are being enforced,” he said on “Face the Nation.”

    One area where there is broad agreement on both sides of the aisle, Mr. Cantor said, is not punishing Dreamers who were brought to America as children and don’t know any other home.

    We ought to be dealing with the things we can agree on which is the kids,” he said. “Certainly we ought to take care of that problem. That should come first because it just makes sense to start where we can find agreement.”.....snip~


    Read more: Cantor: Immigration reform should begin where both parties can agree - Washington Times
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    Boehner feels the same way.....on the agreeing part. Starting with the kids. What does this mean?

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    That means stick the camel's nose further under the tent and backdoor in the parents and the rest of the families.



    Only thing left is for Boehner to cry a little on camera.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Immigration bill in doubt? More than doubt. There is little chance that the current Congress will pass any sort of meaningful immigration reform.

    The Republican strategy is to do nothing while blaming Democrats for wanting to pass amnesty, and to make noises about a "fence" that everyone knows would simply be an expensive boondoggle with the sole purpose of fooling people into thinking that they're doing something about illegal immigration. The Democrat strategy is to make mouth noises about immigration reform while continuing to take donations from businesses that rely on illegal labor to remain profitable.

    In short, the blame game will continue, mouth noises about a border fence will continue, but nothing of any use will be passed.

    That's my prediction anyway, and it is based on watching what our dysfunctional Congress has been doing for the past several years.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Immigration bill in doubt? More than doubt. There is little chance that the current Congress will pass any sort of meaningful immigration reform.

    The Republican strategy is to do nothing while blaming Democrats for wanting to pass amnesty, and to make noises about a "fence" that everyone knows would simply be an expensive boondoggle with the sole purpose of fooling people into thinking that they're doing something about illegal immigration. The Democrat strategy is to make mouth noises about immigration reform while continuing to take donations from businesses that rely on illegal labor to remain profitable.

    In short, the blame game will continue, mouth noises about a border fence will continue, but nothing of any use will be passed.

    That's my prediction anyway, and it is based on watching what our dysfunctional Congress has been doing for the past several years.
    Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...
    I think you touched on a good part of it.

    First, a system like E-Verify must be accepted as a means by which employers can demonstrate they have done their due dilligence in their effort to confirm a prospective employees eligibility to work. Having received confirmation of legal right, they are protected should it be shown the supplied documents were fraudulent.

    Second, as you suggested, there should be immediate, and severe, penalties, including asset forfeiture, against any employer who willfully hires someone who is not legally allowed to be employed.

    People found to be working illegally should be immediately deported, and any minors or other dependants found living with them also deported.

    People need to remove the "heroic" halo that has been cast around illegal aliens. They don't care about the employers they put at risk, the families they put at risk, or the cost their illegal activity causes others to cover. They need to be removed, over as much time as it takes, so the economy is no longer threatened by their presence here.

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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...
    Ok, I understand. It is a complex problem for sure, which is why "comprehensive" won't work IMO. We have to break this up into pieces that we can implement, and ensure that they work before tackling other parts. In that vein, If you have a leak in the roof of the house, you don't go in and replace the soaked room until you fix the leak....
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think you touched on a good part of it.

    First, a system like E-Verify must be accepted as a means by which employers can demonstrate they have done their due dilligence in their effort to confirm a prospective employees eligibility to work. Having received confirmation of legal right, they are protected should it be shown the supplied documents were fraudulent.

    Second, as you suggested, there should be immediate, and severe, penalties, including asset forfeiture, against any employer who willfully hires someone who is not legally allowed to be employed.

    People found to be working illegally should be immediately deported, and any minors or other dependants found living with them also deported.

    People need to remove the "heroic" halo that has been cast around illegal aliens. They don't care about the employers they put at risk, the families they put at risk, or the cost their illegal activity causes others to cover. They need to be removed, over as much time as it takes, so the economy is no longer threatened by their presence here.
    I dont see it as it is the evil workers putting the emplyers at risk, it is the other way around. The illegals have no power, corporations have the power in this counrty.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Actually I think this is one topic a vast majority of Americans could agree to do something about, but not the politicans.
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    Re: U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?
    My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes:

    First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
    Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

    Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

    No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

    We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

    But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

    First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.
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