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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

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    That reminds me, Whitney Houston is almost two years sober now you go girl! What an inspiration.
    What was Whitney's biggest hit? Her last one.
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

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    Wilde's cynicism to the contrary, art (including artistic performances) are tangible. What legacy will you leave behind?

    While this game you're playing might seem childish, I will opine anyway. I will leave four children, a major contribution to how IT business get's done nowadays, my writings and my hypothesis on QM, cosmology, space/time among others. A thriving business, and a well respected tree of individuals who have learned my craft, and went on to practice themselves, and in turn give that gift to their respective protégés'. These people whom have already and will continue to in the future will continue to be productive individuals in their own right.

    Now, Hoffman, although I liked some of his movies, and came to appreciate his talent in no way shape or form moved me in such a way that turned into anything that I can put my finger on as to anything I've done in the real world. Has he done so for you, and many others? If so, namely what pray tell. What gift does he bring to you?


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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

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    What was Whitney's biggest hit? The one that killed her.
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

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    Not to derail the thread but why?

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    How do you figure that?
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    While this game you're playing might seem childish, I will opine anyway. I will leave four children, a major contribution to how IT business get's done nowadays, my writings and my hypothesis on QM, cosmology, space/time among others. A thriving business, and a well respected tree of individuals who have learned my craft, and went on to practice themselves, and in turn give that gift to their respective protégés'. These people whom have already and will continue to in the future will continue to be productive individuals in their own right.

    Now, Hoffman, although I liked some of his movies, and came to appreciate his talent in no way shape or form moved me in such a way that turned into anything that I can put my finger on as to anything I've done in the real world. Has he done so for you, and many others? If so, namely what pray tell. What gift does he bring to you?


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    Good on you for your accomplishments, I'm only surprised because in my experience the people who are quickest to tear down the successful are those with the fewest accomplishments. However, there is of course the other scenario, which is that you are simply unimpressed by him and his craft, which I suppose cannot be helped. If you're unmoved by him, you're unmoved. All I can say is that you do have a certain ignorance regarding what he does and that very few people are able to bring conviction to their roles in acting as he did. Art may be subjective, but he was extremely talented and, like I said before, has earned more than to be cast aside like trash just because you don't approve of his weaknesses.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you figure that?
    there is the argument it can be better regulated when not driven to the black market. Most junkies will willingly accept pain pills, instead of shooting heroin.

    Pain pills are more controlled in dose and purity -there are exceptions to every rule, and some heroin addicts aren't satisfied - wanting to "chase the dragon", (smoking oxycodone),
    or the initial euphoric rush one gets when injecting.

    But most would gladly be able to get pills from a Dr./clinic ( Dr's cannot prescribe to a known addict). There is a saying about opiate addiction:

    "you grow sick and tired of being sick and tired" ( referring to the sickness of withdrawl pangs) - so enabling an addict to function, without using street drugs is preferable

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Good on you for your accomplishments, I'm only surprised because in my experience the people who are quickest to tear down the successful are those with the fewest accomplishments. However, there is of course the other scenario, which is that you are simply unimpressed by him and his craft, which I suppose cannot be helped. If you're unmoved by him, you're unmoved. All I can say is that you do have a certain ignorance regarding what he does and that very few people are able to bring conviction to their roles in acting as he did. Art may be subjective, but he was extremely talented and, like I said before, has earned more than to be cast aside like trash just because you don't approve of his weaknesses.
    But you didn't answer my question. What does he bring to you that was/is tangible? When I watch a figure skater or a gymnast perform I might be in awe of their abilities, and maybe as a young man or woman I might be inspired to take a path to reach higher than them. In this sense I suppose one could make that argument that their talent was so profound that it caused you to pursue a similar path. This is a tangible quality, but isn't it also true that Hoffman's addiction and now death also has tangible qualities to some who might find it so?


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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    But you didn't answer my question. What does he bring to you that was/is tangible? When I watch a figure skater or a gymnast perform I might be in awe of their abilities, and maybe as a young man or woman I might be inspired to take a path to reach higher than them. In this sense I suppose one could make that argument that their talent was so profound that it caused you to pursue a similar path. This is a tangible quality, but isn't it also true that Hoffman's addiction and now death also has tangible qualities to some who might find it so?


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    I admire his acting skill, and his ability to bring gravitas and nuance to his roles, or "stage presence." It's an ineffable quality which I can't explain because acting is not my profession, otherwise I'd probably have the terminology to explain it better. It would be easier for me if you asked me to explain why a painting was moving. All I know is that it's one of those skills that you don't know to appreciate until some untalented hack takes the stage, as it were, like 95% of the people who act on the Scyfy channel. If this sounds unconvincing to you, it's because any form of art will sound unconvincing to someone not particularly moved by it. I hate to pull the "Man, if you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know" thing on you, but it's just how it goes.

    As for his addiction and death, yes, those are technically tangible things, but not ones I think anybody would agree are worth emulating.

    Can you accept that he was an accomplished and talented actor, or are you genuinely puzzled by his success?

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I admire his acting skill, and his ability to bring gravitas and nuance to his roles, or "stage presence." It's an ineffable quality which I can't explain because acting is not my profession, otherwise I'd probably have the terminology to explain it better. It would be easier for me if you asked me to explain why a painting was moving. All I know is that it's one of those skills that you don't know to appreciate until some untalented hack takes the stage, as it were, like 95% of the people who act on the Scyfy channel. If this sounds unconvincing to you, it's because any form of art will sound unconvincing to someone not particularly moved by it. I hate to pull the "Man, if you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know" thing on you, but it's just how it goes.

    As for his addiction and death, yes, those are technically tangible things, but not ones I think anybody would agree are worth emulating.

    Can you accept that he was an accomplished and talented actor, or are you genuinely puzzled by his success?

    I accept that he was a talented actor, I even stated so earlier in this very thread. His success was determined by whether people were willing to part with their hard earned cash to watch him perform. A lot of people did that, including me, however, and not to be too cynical here but a lot of people, including me, parted with my hard earned cash to watch Steve-O perform in the Jackass series.


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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I accept that he was a talented actor, I even stated so earlier in this very thread. His success was determined by whether people were willing to part with their hard earned cash to watch him perform. A lot of people did that, including me, however, and not to be too cynical here but a lot of people, including me, parted with my hard earned cash to watch Steve-O perform in the Jackass series.


    Tim-
    As did I. Speaking of which, how is that guy still alive?

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