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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    It didn't surprise me one bit. I knew he had a substance abuse problem and that he recently went into detox a rehab.

    Heroin addicts are more vulnerable to overdoeses when they're clean. ( Although I don't know if this was the case )

    Its how Sid Vicious died.

    They detox and get clean and then come out and do the same amount they did when they were using and it kills them.

    I liked him in The Big Lebowski as Brent....hillarious.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    meh.. One less druggie, no sympathy at all.

    even though he's from Rochester, he's still a stupid druggie, just now, he's a dead one.


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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    meh.. One less druggie, no sympathy at all.

    even though he's from Rochester, he's still a stupid druggie, just now, he's a dead one.


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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    CNN had a pretty good segment with a former addict.
    He talked about the bad batch which has a way of circulating the cities in the East.
    And ironic that addicts especially in New York city would be trying to actually get this tainted batch due to its strength.
    Don't remember the name of the chemical in the batch, started with a "P".

    A former student of mine in college was found like this by his Mother.
    Pure agony for the parents forever.

    My generation has lost 50 years of musicians and talent.
    I have lost 38 years of students/student's parents/friends this way.
    I have to carry on for those I still tutor and help .
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    every time I read about a story like this the whole thing about legalizing drug use seems to be even more asinine.
    As if your drug laws helped Mr. Hoffman to stay off heroin in any way. GMAFB.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    CNN had a pretty good segment with a former addict.
    He talked about the bad batch which has a way of circulating the cities in the East.
    And ironic that addicts especially in New York city would be trying to actually get this tainted batch due to its strength.
    Don't remember the name of the chemical in the batch, started with a "P".

    A former student of mine in college was found like this by his Mother.
    Pure agony for the parents forever.

    My generation has lost 50 years of musicians and talent.
    I have lost 38 years of students/student's parents/friends this way.
    I have to carry on for those I still tutor and help .
    While I have no reason to doubt what you say, I don't see how it's a relevant response to my post directed toward Hicup.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    It isn't, but I felt enough rapport with you to share my feelings about the thread since you seem to have a long-range in-sight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While I have no reason to doubt what you say, I don't see how it's a relevant response to my post directed toward Hicup.
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Not really to me.

    As an ex-alcoholic/drug addict myself...whenever I watched him, I always assumed he was either a drinker and/or an addict. He just had that look.

    No, it's not at all scientific.

    It's just something you get used to when you are around addicts (like I used to be).


    I managed to quit before it killed me.

    I am very sorry that he did not.
    There's a lot of truth in saying it takes one to know one.
    It bothers me they knew he was high Saturday night, the talk, and did not press the issue.
    My wife was a big fan.
    Many times I don't catch up to them before they die, as in this case.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Liked his movies....Too bad he was an addict....RIP..
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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    The very guilting and shaming in this thread is a product of ignorance and fear, and is the reason why brilliant, sensitive people like Hoffman turn to drugs in the first place, and stay on them in secret. On one hand people will acknowledge that he was a highly talented actor but it seems like a platitude because they fail to realize the kind of intimate understanding of human nature and intense empathy that these kinds of actors have in order to make them big screen material. Then they are thrown into fame and fortune, and it's too much. Societal ignorance and fear keeps these people isolated so that they feel they have to deal with their demons alone. Same thing happens with highly talented musicians all the time.

    What does it matter that he is rich and famous? That is all the more isolating. People who claim he had everything and stupidly threw it away are the kind of people who think money can buy happiness if you just have a lot of it.

    He recently lost his kids to a custody battle. That's just the kind of thing that would toss a former addict back into turmoil. Most rehab programs in the United States have a very intense anti-drug angle, otherwise they wouldn't get licensed; and people who relapse tend to be worse off because they have had new anti-drug programming put into them by rehab which makes them feel unable to reveal the relapse to anyone.

    That kind of isolation plus the low tolerance of sobriety is the perfect recipe for disaster. It's our anti-drug culture courtesy of nanny government, lack of any widespread harm reduction models, and the intense denial of addiction as DISEASE that creates the casualties. NYC doesn't even have a safe injection site with harm reduction resources. In a city that big, it's a crying shame.

    Yes PSH is personally responsible for his own actions, but you can't just peg it all on him like he was some careless derelict junkie. Mental health issues are complicated and in isolation they can be deadly.

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