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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Addictions are life time struggle, always one use away from back to active addiction.
    Would one be angry at a heart diseased patient? It is a disease model, the behavior isn't the disease, its symptomatic of the changes in brain chemistry from opiates ( and to an extent all drugs).

    The neuro receptors have to be understood:

    The human body naturally produces its own opiate-like substances and uses them as neurotransmitters.
    These substances include endorphins, enkephalins, and dynorphin, often collectively known as endogenous opioids.
    Endogenous opioids modulate our reactions to painful stimuli. They also regulate vital functions such as hunger and thirst and are involved in mood control, immune response, and other processes.

    The reason that opiates such as heroin and morphine affect us so powerfully is that these exogenous substances bind to the same receptors as our endogenous opioids.
    There are three kinds of receptors widely distributed throughout the brain: mu, delta, and kappa receptors
    THE BRAIN FROM TOP TO BOTTOM

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    One accomplished nothing with his life, the other entertained millions and brought extraordinary talent to his craft. Equating the two is beyond absurd.

    I'm not going to go on some asshat cry-fest about how my life will never be the same now that he's gone in spite of never having even met him, but I will give respect where it's due. Hoffman may have been highly imperfect, but his career accomplishments have earned him more than to be cast aside like so much trash just because people don't approve of the manner in which he died.
    Actually, there's a good chance that homeless bum was a very successful person and/or father or mother. Or a soldier that fought for our country. They just ended up there instead of dead, so far.

    And I dont value them any less than an actor.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I understand Hoffmans' drug addiction began with drugs prescribed for pain by a doctor. A lot of people start their drug addiction that way.
    Did he prescribe heroin?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Actually, there's a good chance that homeless bum was a very successful person and/or father or mother. Or a soldier that fought for our country. They just ended up there instead of dead, so far.

    And I dont value them any less than an actor.
    The context (and implication) of Wiseone's post was that the hypothetical homeless bum had not, in fact, done anything with his life.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 02-04-14 at 06:48 PM.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    (bold mine)

    Nobody is defending his heroin use. This shouldn't have to be said.
    Odd, I found several people in this thread were at least making excuses for it....that is defending it IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The context (and implication) of Wiseone's post was that the hypothetical homeless bum had not, in fact, done anything with his life.
    I disagree....because so many of them came from the backgrounds I described. But perhaps he didnt think of that either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I disagree....because so many of them came from the backgrounds I described. But perhaps he didnt think of that either.
    It wasn't the context of the post he had made, otherwise bringing up a homeless bum as an example would have been nonsensical.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Odd, I found several people in this thread were at least making excuses for it....that is defending it IMO.
    Explaining drug addiction and defending it are universes apart.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Addictions are life time struggle, always one use away from back to active addiction.
    Would one be angry at a heart diseased patient? It is a disease model, the behavior isn't the disease, its symptomatic of the changes in brain chemistry from opiates ( and to an extent all drugs).
    Yes but he moved to heroin. For a better high?

    That's just speculation on my part because I have zero idea why anyone, esp. of his age, would try heroin. We were taught from a very young age how dangerous and addictive heroin is.

    What a waste.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Explaining drug addiction and defending it are universes apart.
    No, they were 'making excuses' for it. That's not 'clinical' in nature.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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