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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There has been a 14 year drought in this part of the US and if it goes on much longer Las Vegas will be a ghost town. If you own real estate there you should get while the gettin is good. Vegas may be the next Salton Sea resort area.

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    LAKE MEAD, Nev.
    - When you head out on Nevada's Lake Mead, the first thing you notice is a white line. That's where the water used to be.
    What did this look like a decade ago?
    "This was all underwater," said Pat Mulroy, the general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. "I mean boats were everywhere. There was a whole marina here."
    Mulroy said that the drought began 14 years ago. Satellite photos show the Colorado River, which feeds Lake Mead, is drying up -- so the lake is rapidly shrinking. Islands are growing, and boats are floating far from where they once were.

    Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply - CBS News
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    My prediction? I think we're on the verge of a major uptick in desalination investment generally, with big surge (the new San Diego plant will be online soon) probably coming to California over the next decade. Match that with encouraging developments in desalination efficiency, reduction in energy waste, and the application of new cutting edge materials (the most commonly cited one being graphene) and I think you have a good recipe for how developed countries will successfully tackle their water shortages.
    ••Israel has been working on desalination for many decades. I'm guessing© the technology has been pretty advanced. The only real barrier is the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Why do I have the suspicion that Las Vegas, LA and the others in So Cal will find their water and our food prices will soar so that Hollywood and Beverly Hills can water it's lawns while casinos still out on shows with fountains and pools?
    ••I certainly hope so. We'll pay off whomever we have to.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I would love to see Las Vegas as a ghost town. It's already a wasteland in many ways. It might even be the source for the next zombie apocolypse.
    ••Gee. Thanks. Can the cats and I move in with you? Just for a few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Maybe, I have seen several zombie-like creatures wandering around downtown Vegas.
    Actually, I'm not too worried about the zombies.
    As long as they're the traditional lurching around types a la "Walking Dead" or "Night of the Living Dead".
    Those guys are easy enough to dodge and outrun.
    But if the zombies are like those fast, relentless ones in "World War Z".....big problems.
    Maybe I should stay in Reno.
    ••Believe it or not, our zombie population has been shrinking. You can go hours without sighting one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Is Las Vegas even needed any more?

    At one time it was thought putting a city out of the middle of a dessert to offer legalized gambling would bring in the masses. And it did. But now you can legally gamble downtown at the local Winn-Dixie with lottery pulls.
    Las Vegas saw their unique legalized gambling becoming not so unique so they attempted to seek survival by offering entertainment for family and adults. This worked for awhile but nobody can exist without water.

    Las Vegas will become a larger Reno . And when was the last time you ever heard of someone going to Reno for a vacation?
    ••Las Vegas is already (finally) developing a new source of economic revenue. We are in the process of becoming the center for clouds. Our University has gone from utterly lame to one of the top 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Desalination is extremely expensive. It may provide some relief to urban Calif if they really conserve but I doubt the farmers will ever see it, that or a Calif strawberry will cost 10 bucks.
    ••Water is way too cheap. Once it cost 50¢ to take a shower, you'll see a big change in people's habits.

    I'll also point out that Las Vegas is a great place to live. Low cost of living. Plenty of entertainment. 24/7 businesses. Plenty of parking. The city is flat, easy to develope but we are ringed by beautiful mountains. The weather is moderate, just a couple of blazing hot Summer and yes, it's a DRY heat.

    Las Vegas is recovering in a healthy way. The losers moved away after the housing bust. The technology people are moving in. I went to a First Friday event recently and I was stunned by how the population has changed. So many "normal" people, nicely dressed, having fun. The changes are unbelievable to an old-timer like me.

    There is no more of this lawn stuff. Almost everyone has gone to desert landscaping. I expect that once water doubles in price, there will be plenty. We don't grow crops so unlike CA, we don't really NEED water.

    Now, obviously, I want all this to work out. And I think it will. Now, the CA crop issue is a lot more scary. Food is very important.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    This would take a massive public investment
    Only a partial one. Part of the construction could be paid for by private investors, if a market could be created.

    Even if it had to be publically funded, it would be a worthwhile investment if 1) it was done smart and 2) wasn't awash with fraud.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    We are decades from doing this.
    But we have had great Presidents with Great ideas.
    Four of them are on Mount Rushmore.
    If we can pipeline fossil fuels, we can pipeline water.
    Don't mention the Great Lakes though--those folks get a little touchy also.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What infrastructure are you referring to? The infrastructure that would allow the practical transfer of those flood waters doesn't exist.

    Moving flood water from the Mississippi Valley, westward, is a good idea, BTW. The only practical way to ship that water would be pipelines.
    Which I agree with.
    My dream is of a "super-material" low in the atmosphere funneling the water into relay pipes.
    Resupplying aquifers like Ogallalla wouldn't hurt.
    Last I saw, "they" estimated it was 30% depleted.

    In the west/southwest, there is no greater fight than water, as sawyer can attest to.
    I have been fortunate to travel some 40 years out west.

    Dad was stationed at Travis AFB from '61 to '64.
    When it became the gateway to Vietnam, he was transferred to Scott AFB, the medical field.
    As an Air Force brat, traveling is in my blood .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You asked...I answered.
    I see. So we can trust your answers to be dishonest. Got it. I will encourage others, however, to put the phrase in its full context for its correct intent and meaning.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    With the size of pipelines for energy criss crossing our Nation, it baffles me why labor intensive water pipeline projects are not on the Federal bucket list. They could use solar PV to pump the water even. More importantly, it could create lots of construction jobs, boost economies and perhaps prevent some water wars.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I see. So we can trust your answers to be dishonest. Got it. I will encourage others, however, to put the phrase in its full context for its correct intent and meaning.
    Likewise, we can trust your questions to be flamebait.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    With the size of pipelines for energy criss crossing our Nation, it baffles me why labor intensive water pipeline projects are not on the Federal bucket list. They could use solar PV to pump the water even. More importantly, it could create lots of construction jobs, boost economies and perhaps prevent some water wars.
    The tree huggers would go bezerk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    The state of Utah has always impressed me, since I first went out there to Vernal in 1973.
    Lots of energy-producing plants and my buddies were Union of every type.
    They still had alcohol restrictions so we had to bring our own beer.
    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    This would take a massive public investment
    Utah has had a string of very good governors.
    The Mormons are as brilliant as the Israelis when it comes to using their resources.
    They have done some "very minor" public/private ventures with their roads and rest stops.
    The Mormon church is fabulously wealty and they are reproducing at an impressive rate.

    I would trust Utah to be a leader in the engineering needed to move water from East to West .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The tree huggers would go bezerk.
    I don't believe it would bother us tree huggers one iota. We're talkin' water not energy pollution.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    I guess you haven't met loyal Democrats who have very different leans, depending on the issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The tree huggers would go bezerk.
    For instance, I like Sen. Boxer but she can piss off on the Keystone pipe.
    That doesn't mean I support it as now outlined.
    This is a "regional" issue and I believe our politics are moving back to regionalism, though too slowly.
    I would support some kind of vote by the sum total of the SIX directly affected states.

    As you may have noticed, the "Farm" bill has loads of regional issues .
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