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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Every golf course uses up to one million gallons a day. Southern California 600, Utah 117, Arizona 322, and Nevada 98.
    Well over ONE BILLION GALLONS A DAY!
    You don't think that would make a huge impact on the Colorado river?
    Not a bad estimate you were off by a factor of two it is a little over 2 billion gallons of water a day.

    http://www.usga.org/uploadedFiles/US...Golf%20Use.pdf

    From 2003-2005, the average water use for golf course irrigation in the U.S. was estimated to be 2,312,701 acrefeet per year. That equates to approximately 2.08 billion gallons of water per day for golf course irrigation in the U.S. According to the U.S. Geological Survey’s “Estimated Use of Water in the United States in 2000” report, approximately 408 billion gallons of water per day are withdrawn in the U.S. Golf course irrigation accounts for 0.5 percent of this total.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...so you are saying Colorado, the source of water for much of the west and south central states, gets to keep its water?
    Talk about a touchy regional issue.
    Water Agreements among several states are a BFD.
    The eastern part of your state is in the Ogallalla network.

    Unfortunately water rights law is very complex, with much of it set over 100 years ago. Even though Colorado has far more water than it needs, much of it belongs to down-stream states, so we have our rationing of water here as well.... What is that saying? "water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink"?
    I'm sure Denver owns Winter Park on the other side of the Front Range for many reasons, water one of them .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Not a bad estimate you were off by a factor of two it is a little over 2 billion gallons of water a day.

    http://www.usga.org/uploadedFiles/US...Golf%20Use.pdf
    An even scarier number.
    Golfing is a very powerful and elite lobbying group.
    Besides the golf courses, the golf-housing communities are immensely valuable .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    An even scarier number.
    Golfing is a very powerful and elite lobbying group.
    Besides the golf courses, the golf-housing communities are immensely valuable .
    I personally would shut down municipal golf courses and make the remainder pay through the teeth for their water.

    The article that I referenced said only 12% use recycled water and that does not imply that they recycle the water that they use.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    I actually feel guilty for playing the game since I was young, though I don't play much any more.
    Unless people have driven through Oklahoma, they have no idea how you feel.
    I could be coming March 20-22 for the Wrestling NCAAs in Oklahoma City and I'll try to bring some of this snow with me .
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I personally would shut down municipal golf courses and make the remainder pay through the teeth for their water.

    The article that I referenced said only 12% use recycled water and that does not imply that they recycle the water that they use.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Pretending I'm a liberal, it's Bush's fault. The drought started during the Bush administration.

    That was fun.

    The left believes that government can control the weather. I don't concur. Government can regulate how water is used. They can regulate how the underground water tables are replenished. They can control our rivers. (The Constitution gave that responsibility to the U.S. Army, Army Corps of Engineers.)

    I remember over on the old Politico Forum there were a number of Europeans who brought up how government made it illegal to capture rain run off from one's roof, that the rain water had to be allowed to replenish the water table underground or runoff into streams and rivers.
    I read that Colorado was the one State that all but banned the practice but has loosened the laws recently in 2009. Some States have restrictions on the practice also.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    You're more than familiar with the term "wash", as in a dry river.
    I've come across some pretty nasty mud flows, especially in Utah, in violent rain storms.
    It's always frustrated me that it seems that flash-flooding is a waste of water.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I read that Colorado was the one State that all but banned
    the practice but has loosened the laws recently in 2009. Some States have restrictions on the practice also.
    If we ever figure out how to run a water-pipe from the confluence of the Ohio/Mississippi to the west, Oklahoma will benefit .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I read that Colorado was the one State that all but banned the practice but has loosened the laws recently in 2009. Some States have restrictions on the practice also.
    The way I look at it, any rain that falls out of the sky that falls on privately owned property belongs to the owner of that property, not the federal or state government or anyone else.

    It's the property owners personal property until the runoff reaches a stream and contributory to a waterway, river, etc. then the water belongs to who ever has water rights to the water. Once a waterway become navigable, where you can put a row boat or canoe in the waterway, it usually becomes federal water.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You're more than familiar with the term "wash", as in a dry river.
    I've come across some pretty nasty mud flows, especially in Utah, in violent rain storms.
    It's always frustrated me that it seems that flash-flooding is a waste of water.

    If we ever figure out how to run a water-pipe from the confluence of the Ohio/Mississippi to the west, Oklahoma will benefit .
    I consider the runoff from flooding to be a waste also. If there were a economical way to build reservoirs to store some of that runoff that would help some.

    At this point Oklahoma might have to look forward to getting water from a desalination plant in the Gulf.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I actually feel guilty for playing the game since I was young, though I don't play much any more.
    That's okay the ignorance of youth and all.

    Unless people have driven through Oklahoma, they have no idea how you feel.
    Yeah Oklahoma has had it times of drout.

    I could be coming March 20-22 for the Wrestling NCAAs in Oklahoma City and I'll try to bring some of this snow with me .

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