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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For civilians to do this and be as efficient as possible, they would basically have to integrate the desalination plants into close operation with an electric power plant near a large body of water, preferably the ocean. Plus there is the issue of more pollution being in the water closer to land than at sea. That means ensuring better monitoring of water than we do (we don't generally have to worry about foreign chemicals in our water, just microbes, bacteria, and maybe some algae, by the time we make the water, the chemicals have already diluted to pretty much undetectable levels)..
    Assuming civilians/military/public/private can pull off large body water/electric power plant/desalination;
    Do you think we will ever be capable of doing great infrastructure again, based on the Eisenhower model?
    My biggest dream idea for a few days has been to move flood/excess water from the East-to-the-west .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    We could use that salt back here EAST of the Mississippi River with another heavy winter.
    Tell you what, we'll transport our flood waters and take your ocean salt.
    In Illinois, we call that quid pro quo, pay for play, governors go to jail.
    I'm already bargaining for Hudson Bay water in exchange for KXL .
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    I would suggest they find a way to purify it for human consumption, let it dry up, and let all that great sea salt become an important new American industry.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    How concentrated is the solution?
    I'm thinking it could be supersaturated.
    How about sending the brine water to a dry lake and let the water evaporate, then skim the salt .
    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Depends on what is in it. It is still water, just very salty water with pretty much anything else found in ocean water, including even some seacreatures. Close to shore, it is also going to have some chemicals and other pollutants, dependent on where exactly the plant would be located. It could be transported anywhere water can, but it might not be worth it to do it, since I really don't know the cost of such a venture.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We could use that salt back here EAST of the Mississippi River with another heavy winter.
    Tell you what, we'll transport our flood waters and take your ocean salt.
    In Illinois, we call that quid pro quo, pay for play, governors go to jail.
    I'm already bargaining for Hudson Bay water in exchange for KXL .
    Sounds like a deal to me. But you'll have to look to California, Oregon, and Washington State for that ocean salt. But you have to transport that flood water through somewhere to get it there and New Mexico would be pleased to have it come through here, provided we get to charge a toll which of course would be a portion of that water.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sounds like a deal to me. But you'll have to look to California, Oregon, and Washington State for that ocean salt. But you have to transport that flood water through somewhere to get it there and New Mexico would be pleased to have it come through here, provided we get to charge a toll which of course would be a portion of that water.
    Here's the deal.
    Once we get to the Rockies, we have to go with a pipe for moving water.
    Just think, if it leaks we won't have to deal with a toxic substance.
    In fact, they could even run it through farm fields and have irrigation spikes.
    A quick look on the big map shows Raton/Trinidad as a good place to start and run it between the two states all the way to Page, AZ.
    At this point, the Colorado R. gets replenished but the National Park will have to adjust .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Here's the deal.
    Once we get to the Rockies, we have to go with a pipe for moving water.
    Just think, if it leaks we won't have to deal with a toxic substance.
    In fact, they could even run it through farm fields and have irrigation spikes.
    A quick look on the big map shows Raton/Trinidad as a good place to start and run it between the two states all the way to Page, AZ.
    At this point, the Colorado R. gets replenished but the National Park will have to adjust .
    Seems like a reasonable plan to me. Now how do we get Obama to appoint you flood water czar?
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    I'm going to go around Mr. Obama, just as he is going around Congress.
    While I'm thinking about it, I'll go around Congress also.
    Without a Suez or Erie-type Canal run off the Mississippi R. going west, we can't get rid of our flood water.
    South of the junction of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers looks tentaive for a launching point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Seems like a reasonable plan to me. Now how do we get Obama to appoint you flood water czar?
    I will admit that I also have this dream about a neverending Citizens Constitutional Convention in St. Louis,
    eliminating all Politicians but still under mental construction.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It's good to hear that these measures are being done.

    As per post #176 of this thread, where are you on the "one million cubic feet per second" of water being dumped into the ocean.
    Is there potential for water pipelines to begin on the south side of the Columbia R.?
    Even more dreaming, how about an "ERIE-style" Canal, to begin East of the Cascades for obvious land-feature reasons?
    Speaking as one who knows how Northern California has been raped of water to supply SoCal I'm dead set against shipping water south from Oregon or making the forests any drier than they are just so folks can fill swimming pools. Especially when, as I said, there is an easily accomplished and inexpensive answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    With what we're hearing that it will take at least 20 years for the West to come out of this thing with good moisture,
    it appears to me that eventually the expense of desalination will be worth it for certain areas.
    Desalinization is a dead end. Why put even more hurt on the ocean, a major source of food btw, when we just don't have to.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    You make a lot of sense on both points.
    I feel fortunate to have been West for 40 years, so I feel the pain of your drought.
    I know how difficult the water fights are.
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Speaking as one who knows how Northern California has been raped of water to supply SoCal I'm dead set against shipping water south from Oregon or making the forests any drier than they are just so folks can fill swimming pools. Especially when, as I said, there is an easily accomplished and inexpensive answer.
    As long as you're dry, that's a no-go.
    However, if the Columbia is dumping into the ocean, help out Northern California.



    Desalinization is a dead end. Why put even more hurt on the ocean, a major source of food btw, when we just don't have to.
    I'm back to moving flood water west by using an Erie Canal, not nearly as big, just South of the Ohio R./Mississippi R. Junction.
    Run it west to Joplin, MO, delicately threading Springfield and Branson.
    It may have to go canal to water-pipe to canal, etc., depending on Land features.
    Then head from Joplin all the way to Raton/Trinidad.
    I can assure you Joplin needs the jobs.
    In advance, I'd like to lock all the politicians inside DC .
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First thing the desert SW needs to do is stop exporting it's water to other states. Second thing to remember is it is a very arid climate and not well suited to be inhabited like it is a lush oasis in the desert. Third a prolonged drought might indicate climate change...
    ...so you are saying Colorado, the source of water for much of the west and south central states, gets to keep its water? Yeah!

    Unfortunately water rights law is very complex, with much of it set over 100 years ago. Even though Colorado has far more water than it needs, much of it belongs to down-stream states, so we have our rationing of water here as well.... What is that saying? "water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink"?
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