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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If Las Vegas is in a draught, it isn’t because of lack of rain.
    Year…………yrs below 2” between 2-4 over 4 inches
    1997-2012………..3…………………6…………………….6
    1982-1996………..1…………………9…………………….5
    1967-1982…………1………………..7…………………….7
    1952-1966…………4………………..5…………………….6
    1937-1951…………1………………..6…………………….8
    Average……………..2.0…………….5.6………………….5.4
    Although Las Vegas had 1 more year below 2 inches than the average since 1937 for a 15 year period, Las Vegas was slightly over in rain fall of between 2-4 inches and over 4 inches, 5.6 to 6 years and 5.4 years to 6 years. I would say rain fall on Las Vegas has been pretty close to average for any 15 year cycle or period.
    Las Vegas water comes from the Rocky Mountains via the Colorado River.

    Las Vegas was founded by the Mormons and they built a fort near where there was a natural desert spring where downtown Vegas is today. Just enough water for filling up a few steam locomotives and supporting a few thousand people. Las Vegas life is dependent on the Colorado River. (Lake Mead is the Colorado River.)

    Where as Los Angeles County and surrounding counties have three sources of importing water. The Colorado River in which is dependent to flow on the Rocky Mountains snow pack in the states of Wyoming and Colorado and from Northern California and the Owens Valley on the east side of the Sierras. Both are dependent on the snowpack in the Sierra Mountains. The Sierra's snowpack as of last week was 12% of normal.

    It doesn't really matter how much rain Las Vegas or Los Angeles receives but how much snow there is in the Rocky Mountains and in the Sierras with Los Angeles.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Since they no longer teach history in our schools except revisionist history most Americans are unaware that the western half of America is nothing but a desert. Back during the 1800's the great plains east of the Rockies were called the Great American Desert. West of the Rockies it was mostly nothing but a desert.

    Los Angeles is nothing but a desert, It has to import most of it's water or it couldn't support more than a few hundred thousand people.

    During the 1800's there use to be range wars between the ranchers over water. It's going to get nasty in Northern California.

    When there was water in California you had the federal government cutting off the water to the farmers because the eviormentalist said a little fish smaller than a small sardine was more important than people being able to eat veggies or take a shower.

    Polgaria, been in contact with your sister in No-Cal recently and her perspective on the drought ? Have they dug a well yet ?
    I talked with my sister a few weeks ago, and she is very concerned about the drought. She has a small ranch where she grows nut trees, fruit trees, including citrus; berries; and all kind of vegetables, plus she has dogs and cats, cattle, a few pigs that are slaughtered each year, chickens, and horses who all need drinking water, not to mention the ordinary need for water inside the house for bathing, clothes and dish washing, etc. Not bad for a former teacher, and she loves her life! There was an old, unused well on the property when she bought it, but because city water was available, she never used the well. Now, however, her water bills are so expensive that she pays more for one water bill than I pay in a year! She was going to hire the necessary people to get that well functional again ASAP. I haven't spoken with her since then, but I don't doubt that she has already done so.

    She was also bemoaning the fact that with so little snowpack, she hasn't been skiing for two years!

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Las Vegas water comes from the Rocky Mountains via the Colorado River.

    Las Vegas was founded by the Mormons and they built a fort near where there was a natural desert spring where downtown Vegas is today. Just enough water for filling up a few steam locomotives and supporting a few thousand people. Las Vegas life is dependent on the Colorado River. (Lake Mead is the Colorado River.)

    Where as Los Angeles County and surrounding counties have three sources of importing water. The Colorado River in which is dependent to flow on the Rocky Mountains snow pack in the states of Wyoming and Colorado and from Northern California and the Owens Valley on the east side of the Sierras. Both are dependent on the snowpack in the Sierra Mountains. The Sierra's snowpack as of last week was 12% of normal.

    It doesn't really matter how much rain Las Vegas or Los Angeles receives but how much snow there is in the Rocky Mountains and in the Sierras with Los Angeles.
    Ah, okay. So we are talking about a quite large area. I got you.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Ah, okay. So we are talking about a quite large area. I got you.
    and right now there is very little snow in the sierra mountains. that is a problem
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

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    and right now there is very little snow in the sierra mountains. that is a problem
    The way the video talked, that gal blamed everything on the drought. So naturally being from Georgia, my first response was to look at the rain fall. A few years back we had a nasty drought here. A couple of Hurricanes in the gulf and the water they dropped on Georgia cured most of that. Relying on snow pack for water all year around, I would have never thought of that. It is the shame that gal in the video did explain it a bit better.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I talked with my sister a few weeks ago, and she is very concerned about the drought. She has a small ranch where she grows nut trees, fruit trees, including citrus; berries; and all kind of vegetables, plus she has dogs and cats, cattle, a few pigs that are slaughtered each year, chickens, and horses who all need drinking water, not to mention the ordinary need for water inside the house for bathing, clothes and dish washing, etc. Not bad for a former teacher, and she loves her life! There was an old, unused well on the property when she bought it, but because city water was available, she never used the well. Now, however, her water bills are so expensive that she pays more for one water bill than I pay in a year! She was going to hire the necessary people to get that well functional again ASAP. I haven't spoken with her since then, but I don't doubt that she has already done so.

    She was also bemoaning the fact that with so little snowpack, she hasn't been skiing for two years!
    I have a pretty good idea on what part of northern California your sister is living.

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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The way the video talked, that gal blamed everything on the drought. So naturally being from Georgia, my first response was to look at the rain fall. A few years back we had a nasty drought here. A couple of Hurricanes in the gulf and the water they dropped on Georgia cured most of that. Relying on snow pack for water all year around, I would have never thought of that. It is the shame that gal in the video did explain it a bit better.
    The Sierra Nevada is one of the snowiest places in the lower 48, with snow packs of 20 feet and more not uncommon. Next to it is the Central Valley, where the climate for agriculture is very favorable, but there is little water. California depends on water from the snow melt to fill reservoirs and canals, providing water to that desert. Rainfall is of secondary importance.

    Moreover, most of the rain falls in winter, not when most of the crops are growing.

    Before the storm that just hit the past couple of days, there was basically no snow pack at all. Now, there is some, but not nearly enough.
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    Re: Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and right now there is very little snow in the sierra mountains. that is a problem
    Or maybe the problem is the Southwest/California has out grown it's natural ability to be self-sustaining during a peak wet period for the area. Before 19th century the area was 15% dryer then what it is during the "drought period" of the last 14 years. The CO river when drafted in the 1920s was again measured in a period in which it was "above normal" rainfall . When historically 13.5 million acre feet flow is the normal, estimates were based on 17.5 million acre feet (1920s measurements).

    You should read "Cadillac Desert: The American West and Its Disappearing Water" by Marc Reisner.
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