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Christie Linked to Knowledge of Shut Lanes

NIMBY said:
That is correct.
My question to that is what did he do in response to being advised.

I can't imagine him doing that.
His people cerainly didn't serve him very well.
It'll take a lot to get me to back him again.
Would have been my first general GOP vote since 1980.


It could be pretty messy.
A guy who was in trouble a few years ago is suing the New York Giants over game memorabilia .
FOX has been carrying it.
FOX has me for now on remote since they have the Super Bowl .
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Thanks, NIMBY. :2wave:
 
Throughout this Christie thing, DEMs have been faking an on-side kickoff as far as giving up on the House.
Granted, the GOP folks have been doubling the spending of DEMs with House hit ads on ACA.
Our GOP colleagues plan to continue this during Sochi.
Perotista said:
I have a feeling sitting senators like Hagan, Landrieu, Pryor will welcome the campaigning of Bill Clinton
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The Secretary of Explaining Stuff has certainly saved Mr. Obama's ass on many occasions .
 
mak2 said:
The right turned on him pretty quick, many of his fellow right wingers are glad to be rid of him. Why does the right always blame the left for their own malfunctions? The left did not close the bridge to get back at political rivals, Christie did. It is funny, even with evidence in this case, the right still points the finger, yet when Obama is accused of something absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing is needed.
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Hehe... I think Christie's only hope is declare to be a democrat and run against hillery in the primaries. We'll see how much the "left" really loves him then. ;)


Tim-
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Until this whole scandal with Christie I really liked the guy. Now I don't know about him. I think Jeb Bush is the Republicans best shot in 2016 because he is smart, well spoken, not crazy, and he might have a shot at making it through the primaries. Take it from someone born and raised in Arkansas, Huckabee would be an absolute disaster for the GOP in 2016 if he were there nominee. Aside from his extreme social conservativeness which would hurt him with a lot of the electorate, he has his own Willie Horton with Wayne DuMond. Wayne DuMond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem the GOP has these days is the base has a few too many nutters in it, so they don't get quality candidates to even try for the nomination (instead its largely a clown show). Until they figure that out and quite moving so far to the right, they are going to have a hard time winning a national election again.
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I too liked Christie, perhaps I was done in by the media into thinking of him as a golden boy. I must admit he was media's golden boy up and until bridgegate. but with 2 years to go before the first Republican primary, Christie if he is telling the truth does have time to regroup and pull it together. I am not writing him off yet, although I doubt he will ever get my vote.

When I go down the list of perspective GOP candidates, I see a lot to be desired. Ryan, Huckabee, Paul and Cruz I do not think could draw in enough independent votes to come close to winning. Jeb Bush might come close and given another year for things to settle down he just may end up being the Republican's best hope. But like bridgegate, no one knows when another shoe will fall. Hillary keeping an enemies list could really hurt her and she was never much liked by independents if one looks at her favor/unfavorable ratings.

Still, I would like to get 2014 in the books before starting on 2016.
 
NIMBY said:
Throughout this Christie thing, DEMs have been faking an on-side kickoff as far as giving up on the House.
Granted, the GOP folks have been doubling the spending of DEMs with House hit ads on ACA.
Our GOP colleagues plan to continue this during Sochi.

The Secretary of Explaining Stuff has certainly saved Mr. Obama's ass on many occasions .
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I heard on the new that Landrieu gave a rebuttle to Boxer on the Keystone pipeline. This is what I keep talking about, Boxer representing the people of her state by being against it and Landrieu representing the people of Louisiana by being for it. I have no problem with the stance either of these two senators have taken, in fact I am quite happy to see both representing the views of the people of their state. To me that is what counts the most, not what side you are on.

I know that is hard for any die hard Republican or Democrat to understand. I think both of these senators are doing the right thing, representing and fighting for what the people of their state want them too. This is how the framers envisioned our representative democracy to be.
 
NIMBY said:
Throughout this Christie thing, DEMs have been faking an on-side kickoff as far as giving up on the House.
Granted, the GOP folks have been doubling the spending of DEMs with House hit ads on ACA.
Our GOP colleagues plan to continue this during Sochi.

The Secretary of Explaining Stuff has certainly saved Mr. Obama's ass on many occasions .
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Linc - here is something I been working on and will incorporate it in my 1 Mar blog. What the House would look like if there had been no gerrymandering.

How the House of Representative would have looked without gerrymandering
………………………ACTUAL..WITHOUT GERRYMANDERING
Year…………….REP DEM……..REP...DEM…Which party gained by gerrymandering and how many seats.
2005-2007….230…205………228….207…….Republican plus 2 seats
2007-2009….200…235………197….238…….Democrat plus 3 seats
2009-2011….178…257………187….248…….Democrat plus 9 seats
2011-2013….242…193……….233….202……Republican plus 9 seats
2013-2015….234….201………213…..222…..Republican plus 21 seats
 
MMC said:
So do you think its true American.....that they got the proof to show Christie knew? If it comes out that he did. he is toast. Already some of the Left are putting together a petition wanting his resignation.

Christie should have known to stay aqueky clean. As the Democrats thrive off this type of **** except when it is brought their way..
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Come on, the right and the left thrive on in.

Would you WANT someone to stay in office who used these tactics just because they were a member of your party?
 
opendebate said:
Come on, the right and the left thrive on in.

Would you WANT someone to stay in office who used these tactics just because they were a member of your party?
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I would disagree.....which is evidenced by who can play it off the cuff. Wherein the Right just don't have that many who can pull it off. Course not Counting Johnny Quest McCain.
 
MMC said:
I would disagree.....which is evidenced by who can play it off the cuff. Wherein the Right just don't have that many who can pull it off. Course not Counting Johnny Quest McCain.
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That is illogical, it does not objectively consider the evidence or hold all parties equally accountable
 
opendebate said:
That is illogical, it does not objectively consider the evidence or hold all parties equally accountable
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What are ya Vulcan.....it does show thru the media.
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Playing on that everybody is doing it.....doesn't give the whole picture either.
 
MMC said:
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What are ya Vulcan[/COLOR].....
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No, but thank you.

it does show thru the media.
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if you are limiting your assessment to what you see in the media it does nothing to serve your argument. Both the right and left behave unreasonably and display the same desperation to destroy the other side

Playing on that everybody is doing it.....doesn't give the whole picture either.
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Can you please this better please.


PS....why do you always add color and bold to the first few words of your posts?
 
opendebate said:
No, but thank you.


if you are limiting your assessment to what you see in the media it does nothing to serve your argument. Both the right and left behave unreasonably and display the same desperation to destroy the other side


Can you please this better please.


PS....why do you always add color and bold to the first few words of your posts?
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I don't see it that way when it comes to corruption and ethics.

Meaning, saying both are equally the same at committing whatever..... just isn't true.
 
MMC said:
I don't see it that way when it comes to corruption and ethics.

Meaning, saying both are equally the same at committing whatever..... just isn't true.
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Not's not what I said though. I said both sides thrive on it (in response to your statement that Democrats thrive on it, implying that only Democrats thrive on it)
 
mak2 said:
The right turned on him pretty quick, many of his fellow right wingers are glad to be rid of him. Why does the right always blame the left for their own malfunctions? The left did not close the bridge to get back at political rivals, Christie did.
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Because the sitteth on the right hand of God himself who has dispensed them with natural rights - one of which is genius in all matters political unless the hated spawn of Franklin Roosevelt intentionally makes a deal with Satan himself to blame them for something they are not responsible for. :roll::(

or something along those lines. ;)
 
opendebate said:
Not's not what I said though. I said both sides thrive on it (in response to your statement that Democrats thrive on it, implying that only Democrats thrive on it)
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Well see that's where the confusion for you came in.....with your interpretation. As I never said the Republican didn't thrive on it. So when talking with others from the Right that understand the strategy and tactics I mentioned earlier in the thread. It was understood that we were talking about who thrives on it more.

Which I said could be told thru the media and by the way the left can play it off the cuff. Which I then admitted there are only a few on the Right that can pull it off.
 
MMC said:
Well see that's where the confusion for you came in.....with your interpretation. As I never said the Republican didn't thrive on it. So when talking with others from the Right that understand the strategy and tactics I mentioned earlier in the thread. It was understood that we were talking about who thrives on it more.

Which I said could be told thru the media and by the way the left can play it off the cuff. Which I then admitted there are only a few on the Right that can pull it off.
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Awwwww okay. This is the line I barged in on (gotta stop doing that) "As the Democrats thrive off this type of **** " from your post that I interpreted as I did.
I do think they are equally guilty but that who is worse is irrelevant anyway.
If I were to listen only to my gut it tells me the conservatives are worse but I dismiss that as a lack of objectivity on my part because of my party preference.
 
Did this scandal make you not like him or were you already not a Christie fan?
Hicup said:
Hehe... I think Christie's only hope is declare to be a democrat and run against hillery in the primaries. We'll see how much the "left" really loves him then. ;)


Tim-
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Now that the positive focus is off Christie, Huckabee is trying to fill the void.
I watched a couple minutes of Huck on FOX right now until he started whining about term-limits, based on Waxman retiring after 40 years.
Nothing about McConnell though.

Having his own show will help him--along with his libido.

Just like 1994, if you can't win with ideas, fail backwards with term limits.
Same deal in 2010.

And then make it harder to vote--right on cue.

You would think the GOP House would be happy with their GM and get something done .
Perotista said:
Linc - here is something I been working on and will incorporate it in my 1 Mar blog. What the House would look like if there had been no gerrymandering.

How the House of Representative would have looked without gerrymandering
………………………ACTUAL..WITHOUT GERRYMANDERING
Year…………….REP DEM……..REP...DEM…Which party gained by gerrymandering and how many seats.
2005-2007….230…205………228….207…….Republican plus 2 seats
2007-2009….200…235………197….238…….Democrat plus 3 seats
2009-2011….178…257………187….248…….Democrat plus 9 seats
2011-2013….242…193……….233….202……Republican plus 9 seats
2013-2015….234….201………213…..222…..Republican plus 21 seats
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I don't want America to choose between a Clinton or a Bush. That just sounds horrible, and it would turn into voting for and against a family name and legacy.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Until this whole scandal with Christie I really liked the guy. Now I don't know about him. I think Jeb Bush is the Republicans best shot in 2016 because he is smart, well spoken, not crazy, and he might have a shot at making it through the primaries. Take it from someone born and raised in Arkansas, Huckabee would be an absolute disaster for the GOP in 2016 if he were there nominee. Aside from his extreme social conservativeness which would hurt him with a lot of the electorate, he has his own Willie Horton with Wayne DuMond. Wayne DuMond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem the GOP has these days is the base has a few too many nutters in it, so they don't get quality candidates to even try for the nomination (instead its largely a clown show). Until they figure that out and quite moving so far to the right, they are going to have a hard time winning a national election again.
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NIMBY said:
Now that the positive focus is off Christie, Huckabee is trying to fill the void.
I watched a couple minutes of Huck on FOX right now until he started whining about term-limits, based on Waxman retiring after 40 years.
Nothing about McConnell though.

Having his own show will help him--along with his libido.

Just like 1994, if you can't win with ideas, fail backwards with term limits.
Same deal in 2010.

And then make it harder to vote--right on cue.

You would think the GOP House would be happy with their GM and get something done .
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Unlike Christie, Huck has never been popular with independents. Perhaps the only ones happy with Huck are the religious right wing. I use to be on the term limit sides, but over the course of time have reversed that. I am now in favor of repealing the 22nd amendment. All that does is make a president that wins a second term a lame duck beginning the day after the election he won a second term. The party out of power can now dismiss him unless he happens to be very popular like Reagan and Clinton were in their second terms. Approval ratings in the 60's. Besides, only FDR broke the two term limit if that is the right word, the example set by Washington. In 1940 we were just beginning to come out of the depression and WWII had already broken out in Europe. Most Americans wanted him for a third term and with war looming, FDR thought he was the best one to handle it. His third term worked out just fine.
 
Term limits have hurt many states, losing good governors like the one just indicted in Virginia.
I'm pretty much okay with states being stupid on this issue.
OTOH, there will never be federal term limits, period .:peace
Perotista said:
Unlike Christie, Huck has never been popular with independents. Perhaps the only ones happy with Huck are the religious right wing. I use to be on the term limit sides, but over the course of time have reversed that. I am now in favor of repealing the 22nd amendment. All that does is make a president that wins a second term a lame duck beginning the day after the election he won a second term. The party out of power can now dismiss him unless he happens to be very popular like Reagan and Clinton were in their second terms. Approval ratings in the 60's. Besides, only FDR broke the two term limit if that is the right word, the example set by Washington. In 1940 we were just beginning to come out of the depression and WWII had already broken out in Europe. Most Americans wanted him for a third term and with war looming, FDR thought he was the best one to handle it. His third term worked out just fine.
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NIMBY said:
Term limits have hurt many states, losing good governors like the one just indicted in Virginia.
I'm pretty much okay with states being stupid on this issue.
OTOH, there will never be federal term limits, period .:peace
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Most of the state with term limits followed after the 22nd amendment.
 
jamesrage said:
They loved Christie when his lips were on Obama's ass, but turned on him the second they figured he might run for president. Personally I think they screwed up turning on Christie now,they should have waited until he won the primary.
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That's certainly true for some, but there were a few hold outs even then that kept reminding that Sandy recovery did not a Christie make, and were trying to remind us of reality. As a matter of fact, some of the resurgent accusations regarding the Port Authority and Christie, I'd already heard very shortly after Sandy. I agree that even the those that didn't fall under his non-partisan bull****, waited a few weeks after Sandy, maybe a month, out of respect for the situation. Otherwise, we've known he was going to run, for a couple of years, ... at least anyone with a brain did. So your point only shows that you weren't paying attention, and mistook a temporary reprieve after Sandy for "love". As for giving him kudos for not embarrassing himself with Obama, it says more about the Republican partisanship that it was even noticed.
 
Update: Christie going on offensive over accusation......

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is going on the offensive after a former loyalist said he has evidence the Republican governor knew more than he has admitted about an apparently politically motivated traffic jam ordered by one of his staffers last year.

The governor's political team sent an email Saturday to donors, along with columnists and pundits who might be in a position to defend Christie, bashing the man Christie put in a top post at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the accusations the man's lawyer made in a letter Friday.

The email says the former Port Authority official, David Wildstein, "will do and say anything to save David Wildstein."

Christie's team noted that Wildstein did not present any proof to back up the claims his lawyer, Alan Zegas, made in the letter. The email also denies that Christie knew about the traffic jam or its political motive until after it was over and bashes Wildstein on a variety of fronts, characterizing him as a litigious teenager, a controversial mayor of Livingston, where Christie and Wildstein attended high school together, and for his past career as an anonymous political blogger.....snip~

Yahoo!


Looks Like Christie struck back with the Smear game as well.....although here he admits they attended High school together.
 
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