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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    I guess unquestioned belief in the "article" and it's author as sole source supreme authority is acceptable ignorance and anything or anyone contradicting this 'settled science' is to be attacked or ridiculed in this thread then. Not, in my opinion, a reasoned and tolerant discussion.
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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    [QUOTE=Disputatious71;1062863734]Maybe it's a requirement in their union contract...[/QUOTE]




    Who has to look at a union contract to know whether it's OK to help another human being?

    Would you care to fill us in on that?

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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I guess unquestioned belief in the "article" and it's author as sole source supreme authority is acceptable ignorance and anything or anyone contradicting this 'settled science' is to be attacked or ridiculed in this thread then. Not, in my opinion, a reasoned and tolerant discussion.
    Christ seriously?

    No you shouldn't always take everything an article says as truth without doubt, but that doesn't mean an acceptable alternative is to just make stuff up and pretend its true. You have to have... you know... other information that contradicts the information put forward in the article, some other kind of source that says something else, something else to back up your statements.

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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Christ seriously?

    No you shouldn't always take everything an article says as truth without doubt, but that doesn't mean an acceptable alternative is to just make stuff up and pretend its true. You have to have... you know... other information that contradicts the information put forward in the article, some other kind of source that says something else, something else to back up your statements.
    Please quote your source for this statement!
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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    [QUOTE=shrubnose;1062863956]
    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Maybe it's a requirement in their union contract...[/QUOTE]

    Who has to look at a union contract to know whether it's OK to help another human being?

    Would you care to fill us in on that?
    Unions have silly rules. So do government bureaucracies. Either one of these two things was responsible or some firefighters should lose their jobs.

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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Please quote your source for this statement!
    Its self evident and a standard for any discussion or debate amongst serious adults, but if you want to troll and continue this one man crusade in defense of ignorance well I guess we'll all have to suffer through it.

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    Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    [QUOTE=MaggieD;1062863961]
    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

    Unions have silly rules. So do government bureaucracies. Either one of these two things was responsible or some firefighters should lose their jobs.
    Exactly the point my original reply was meant to bring forward into this discussion, but it seem to have created a rather detrimental and off topic response from many who believe in the Alinsky rules of debate.
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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I replied to the original post, not the article itself. As the act of replying is not under a precondition, it seems to me all the comments about my reply are just opinion or intolerance of participation. Since this thread is not about my reply how about getting closer to topic now.
    You're getting called out for saying something blindly dumb and partisan. It happens when you make a mistake like this. Instead of going with the victim complex, you could have just manned up, admitted the error, and moved on, and this wouldn't be happening.
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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You are a sensitive sort for this guy... I am not flaming the guy, just pointing out how ignorant his comment was and trying to HELP him back on the path of reasoned discussion. I didn't say his momma didn't raise him proper or he lacks the brain cells of someone worthy of apposable thumbs- I simply said he should make himself a bit more informed and not rely on knee jerk hack attacks.
    Maybe you should stick to the topic then, you don't seem to be too good at off the cuff straying.

    Personally if he had just said my bad and moved on I would have liked that post, instead he tries to get all uppity about it.
    So you have problems with letting it go then, that's why you should stick to the topic.

    And funny YOU try the same knee jerk response instead of sticking to the topic...
    Me? I'd love to discuss the topic, I only made the post to try and get you to do such....What are your thoughts on the topic of the thread?

    Just trying to have a teachable moment here
    Oh, a teachable moment....How arrogantly funny of you....Who proclaimed you the boards teacher, hmmmm? Did anyone ask for your teaching skills to be employed? Or is it that you consider yourself just so smart that you have a duty to open your mouth and attack others with it? I've met people like you before, they are as annoying in real life as you seem to be here with your condescending tone of "teaching" us all something...It's laughable...Tell you what, why don't you give some relevant discourse on the firefighter that refused to cross the street, you know, the topic? I'm sure you know that, because you know all right? So much that you feel you can teach us all something....So, come on smartest person on the planet, teach us all something....Tell us your grand wisdom, that no one gives a **** about. Spew forth your pearls of wisdom, your pinnacle of enlightenment that will cause the sky to open, and chorus of angels to trumpet in your mere utterances....

    Gheeze! Talk about dumb things to say.....

    Generally speaking though, on the topic of the thread, you know the reason we are typing? I think that the firefighter that refused to help should be fired, and there needs to be a serious investigation into what went wrong there so it can be fixed. One of the things that helps when you buy a house, is that if you live in proximity to a fire station. Insurance rates can be lower for those locations...If this sort of thing becomes the norm, that certainly won't be the case anymore.
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    Re: Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're getting called out for saying something blindly dumb and partisan. It happens when you make a mistake like this. Instead of going with the victim complex, you could have just manned up, admitted the error, and moved on, and this wouldn't be happening.
    So how many replies from the non-partisan participants before they move on and return to topic?
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