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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We have at least 310 million firearms in the hands of citizens in this country. What is the percentage of people using guns recklessly?

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    Illegal immigration is a not a conservative vs liberal issue.There are people on both sides of the isle who oppose illegal immigration and people on both sides of the isle who support it.
    The "Just playing with you" part was a hint. Calm down bro.

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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Interesting, I couldn't post what I typed. It seems you are limited to so many characters per post and I went over the limit.

    I'll bypass the DP with a picture is worth a thousand words.

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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What exactly is the problem with a path to citizenship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What exactly is the problem with a path to citizenship?
    We already have one. They ignored it because it was "too hard and expensive". Yet hundreds of thousands do it every day.
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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

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    House leaders sell immigration blueprint - Seung Min Kim and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com



    If Boehner gives in on the idea of citizenship for illegals, he needs to be thrown out on his ass. Pelosi is a stupid bitch, who is totally insane and can't even uphold immigration laws.

    While I think Immigration needs to be taken care of. Now is not the time. I can understand the Repubs wanting to garner Votes with Hispanics. But in this you are correct. Boehner is handing the Demos what they want. Doing nothing, now at this time.....leaves the matter with the Demos and Obama's promise walking in about Immigration. To me it's like he can't wait to retire and get out. Start a process and take it past this election cycle would be the correct strategy. Not give into what Obama and the Demos want.

    Course Pelosi owns words says it all. The Special Path.



    “Nancy Pelosi said yesterday that for her caucus, it is a special path to citizenship or nothing,” Boehner said, according to a source in the room. “If Democrats insist on that, then we are not going to get anywhere this year.”

    Boehner said the standards represent “a fair, principled way for us to solve this issue.”

    The strategy marks a shift for House Republicans. In 2013, Boehner’s chamber ignored the bipartisan immigration reform bill passed by the Senate. But toward the end of last year and early this year, Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) began hashing out this approach to rally Republicans toward reform.

    “It’s important to act on immigration reform because we’re focused on jobs and economic growth, and this is about jobs and growth,” Boehner said in his pitch in the closed meeting. “Reform is also about our national security. The safety and security of our nation depends on our ability to secure our border, enforce our laws, improve channels for legal entry to the country, and identify who is here illegally.”


    Read more: House leaders sell immigration blueprint - Seung Min Kim and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com


    Yeah, and there is that excuse of National Security again to get something done. Yet they can't secure the Borders due to National Security.

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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What exactly is the problem with a path to citizenship?
    There's nothing wrong with a path to citizenship that starts with being here legally. There's a great big problem with a path to citizenship that starts out with "well, you didn't follow the most basic rules but I'm sure you're fine anyway."

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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think you're forgetting the other half of the equation: legal immigration.

    If someone's goal is to come to the United States and make a better life for themselves, they have two options: legal or illegal. People will gravitate towards the easier or more attractive option. Right now, the legal method is a nightmare. It is probably the most convoluted, lengthy, expensive bureaucratic nonsense in our entire government, and that's saying a lot. And for a lot of people, it's not even actually an option. Many people simply don't have any path to become a citizen at all. Nope, sorry, you don't meet our criteria so you just can't come. Of course that person is going to jump the proverbial fence.
    1: Hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants follow the legal path every single day. They can to.
    2: Whaa! They get told no so throw a temper tantrum and do it anyways? Would you let your child get away with that? If not then why would you allow complete strangers that break the law do it?
    3: There HAS to be some sort of limit to allowing people into the country. Otherwise resources cannot keep up. "You must first be able to help yourself before you can help others". Thats a saying worth following. Because if you don't then you will get dragged down also.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You guys seem to focus on making illegal immigration more unattractive, but the equation will never balance in favor of legal immigration unless we make drastic changes to that process. Changes, I suspect, people like you will never accept. I mean, listen to yourself. Anti-American. That's what you call people who want our borders to be more open. Question: You ever been to the statue of liberty?
    That poem that so many pro-illegal folks talk about was talking about LEGAL immigration. Why do you think that it was put in the biggest immigration city on the entire coast? Did you also know that even with that poem people were rejected and sent back?

    And yes, making illegal immigration extremely unattractive WILL work. So long as it is actually enforced. Do you really think that illegals will come here if they have to live in the street? Get no schooling? No medical care? No jobs? No anchor babies allowed?
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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Since the USA acted that way 30 years ago, this is all the foreign speakers understand.
    That and trying to make the almighty dollar .
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There's nothing wrong with a path to citizenship that starts with being here legally. There's a great big problem with a path to citizenship that starts out with "well, you didn't follow the most basic rules but I'm sure you're fine anyway."
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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There's nothing wrong with a path to citizenship that starts with being here legally. There's a great big problem with a path to citizenship that starts out with "well, you didn't follow the most basic rules but I'm sure you're fine anyway."
    Luther there is a big push for immigration reform aka amnesty by the Chamber of Commerce. Business wants cheap labor and they want it legally.

    Chamber of Commerce 'determined' in push for immigration reform in 2014 - Washington Times

    But on the flip side, the Speaker of the House is in real jeopardy of losing his position if he supports such a thing. Hell, Boehner is from my home state and he is already being challenged by other Republicans due to his "compromising" demeanor. I don't see him so willing to "compromise" as Paul Ryan seems to be over this issue.

    Buchanan: Boehner Will Lose Speakership if He Pushes for Immigration Reform | National Review Online

    My personal opinion is that this issue is dead. It will be met with such a force by most Republicans who know damn well their constituents would never agree to such a thing. Paul Ryan is a Republican elite. He made himself available to be the one who in "bipartisan" agreement to pass the first budget that Obama even agreed not to veto. What does that tell you? He was the ONLY Republican to give Obama a standing O when he talked about immigration during the SOTU address. What does that tell you?

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    Re: House leaders sell immigration blueprint

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Luther there is a big push for immigration reform aka amnesty by the Chamber of Commerce. Business wants cheap labor and they want it legally.

    Chamber of Commerce 'determined' in push for immigration reform in 2014 - Washington Times

    But on the flip side, the Speaker of the House is in real jeopardy of losing his position if he supports such a thing. Hell, Boehner is from my home state and he is already being challenged by other Republicans due to his "compromising" demeanor. I don't see him so willing to "compromise" as Paul Ryan seems to be over this issue.

    Buchanan: Boehner Will Lose Speakership if He Pushes for Immigration Reform | National Review Online

    My personal opinion is that this issue is dead. It will be met with such a force by most Republicans who know damn well their constituents would never agree to such a thing. Paul Ryan is a Republican elite. He made himself available to be the one who in "bipartisan" agreement to pass the first budget that Obama even agreed not to veto. What does that tell you? He was the ONLY Republican to give Obama a standing O when he talked about immigration during the SOTU address. What does that tell you?

    Yeah, I am hoping Price takes the Leadership. Ryan is looking to go to Ways and Means. Cantor, as far as I am concerned can stay where he is at.

    Now that Boehner will retire after his term. The other Leaders should take front and center now.

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