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Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

Given their recent military history, I'd say you're being generous with a day. Just speak loudly and they'll surrender. Hell, the Ethiopians armed with spears beat them in WWII.

Italian and French WWII army rifles are the best deals. Never fired, dropped only once. German rifles were shot continuously for 6 years, Russian rifles as much and US and British rifles 5 years of use and with the US then in Korea again
 
Most people are certainly interested in justice, but trying someone three [3] times for the same crime tis abit overboard.

Not to our European friends it isn't. She's an American - they want to keep trying her until they get the verdict they like. A quaint and curious system of justice.
 
Double jeopardy doesn't apply in Italy, nor in many jurisdictions. I'm sure she won't be extradited, and will spend the rest of her life within the US. Still, who says crime doesn't pay? I hear Harper Collins are going to pay her $4 million for her account of the murder and trial.

God, what a terrible burden - spending the rest of her life in the U.S.!:lamo
 
Not to our European friends it isn't. She's an American - they want to keep trying her until they get the verdict they like. A quaint and curious system of justice.

next thing will be the Italian Inquisition with the cushy pillows and the comfy chair!!

NO NO NOT THE COMFY CHAIR (shudder)
 
Yeah she'll have to tread lightly with international travel. No telling what country might decide to get an IOU from Italy.

Backwards courts over there.
 
yeah an American citizen who engaged in a crime in America and was never tried--a bit more blatant than this case

Polanski pleaded "guilty" to the rape, then took off before he could be sentenced and ran to France. France refused to extradite him. He's still there, living the high life, so those across the pond who are pulling the old "America would have a fit if a country refused to extradite someone they wanted, but it's okay for them to do it" can frankly kiss my red-white-and-blue ass.

Countries refuse to extradite American criminals all the damned time, especially countries that consider life in prison or capital punishment as unacceptable. So in order to get a stone-cold killer back, American prosecutors have to end up dealing with foreign governments and promising that the person will not get more than XX years, etc. We don't like it, but that's the way the world works. If America refuses to extradite a citizen who has already been acquitted once, Italy won't like it either, but that's the way the world works.
 
Polanski pleaded "guilty" to the rape, then took off before he could be sentenced and ran to France. France refused to extradite him. He's still there, living the high life, so those across the pond who are pulling the old "America would have a fit if a country refused to extradite someone they wanted, but it's okay for them to do it" can frankly kiss my red-white-and-blue ass.

Countries refuse to extradite American criminals all the damned time, especially countries that consider life in prison or capital punishment as unacceptable. So in order to get a stone-cold killer back, American prosecutors have to end up dealing with foreign governments and promising that the person will not get more than XX years, etc. We don't like it, but that's the way the world works. If America refuses to extradite a citizen who has already been acquitted once, Italy won't like it either, but that's the way the world works.

Italy has proven itself a complete joke when it comes to criminal law. Their court system now takes place along side its military in terms of international esteem
 
Polanski pleaded "guilty" to the rape, then took off before he could be sentenced and ran to France. France refused to extradite him. He's still there, living the high life, so those across the pond who are pulling the old "America would have a fit if a country refused to extradite someone they wanted, but it's okay for them to do it" can frankly kiss my red-white-and-blue ass.

Countries refuse to extradite American criminals all the damned time, especially countries that consider life in prison or capital punishment as unacceptable. So in order to get a stone-cold killer back, American prosecutors have to end up dealing with foreign governments and promising that the person will not get more than XX years, etc. We don't like it, but that's the way the world works. If America refuses to extradite a citizen who has already been acquitted once, Italy won't like it either, but that's the way the world works.

The Polanski case is totally different since the victim in that case forgave Polanski and wanted the charged against him dropped, however the brain-starved loony CA DA wanted to drag out the saga again anyway, forcing Samantha to testify and re-live the whole thing even though she wanted nothing to do w/it.
 
The Polanski case is totally different since the victim in that case forgave Polanski and wanted the charged against him dropped, however the brain-starved loony CA DA wanted to drag out the saga again anyway, forcing Samantha to testify and re-live the whole thing even though she wanted nothing to do w/it, for the sole purpose of making a name for his (pathetic) self on the world stage.

I guess the goal of the Italian prosecutor was to make his entire country's legal system look like a rotted turd in the eyes of the world.
 
God, what a terrible burden - spending the rest of her life in the U.S.!:lamo

For people who come from free countries, the US is indeed like a prison.
 
The Polanski case is totally different since the victim in that case forgave Polanski and wanted the charged against him dropped, however the brain-starved loony CA DA wanted to drag out the saga again anyway, forcing Samantha to testify and re-live the whole thing even though she wanted nothing to do w/it.

The DA considered himself under obligation to put Polanski on trial if he could and just because the victim has forgiven Polanski that is not a reason not to do a trial. One must remember what he was charged with, statutory rape, and that is considered serious enough to prosecute even after all this time.
 
Simple solution, if the Itallians ask for extradition just send them OJ instead. :mrgreen:

I thought you were going to say send them Obama. Aren't the Italians still upset about American "agents" scooping up that Egyptian Imam on terrorist charges a few years back - don't they have some US soldiers in custody on that? Would hate to see a kind of "hostage taking" situation develop between the two countries.
 
yeah an American citizen who engaged in a crime in America and was never tried--a bit more blatant than this case

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Polanski was convicted and got a higher sentence than he plea bargained for and then skipped town while it was being appealed.

The point was, with Snowden too, that other countries may not think much of the American justice systems handling of cases just as Americans now don't think much of the Italian justice system in this case.
 
What is funny here is Americans actually believe this bitch because she is pretty and has a good PR team.

I too followed the case pretty closely and can say I have serious doubts about her and the boyfriend. They acted very strangely after the murder and had inconsistent stories. Along with the evidence that was not tainted by incompetence.. like that the whole scene looked staged as a burglary.. and you can only conclude that either they did it or were heavily involved in the murder.

As for the trial being a sham trial and the Italian court system being inept and corrupt.. funny coming from the Americans.. who piss up and down on the law depending on how much money you have or where you are from. Amanda got consular help.. pity the US does not give that to people visiting the US..

Well I Amanda Knox wont be leaving the US for the rest of her life.. because step outside and an international arrest warrant will bring her back to Italy to serve her time.


Send us Roman Polanski and you can have Amanda Knox.

Funny how you were the first to defend France for not extraditing Polanski but when the shoe is on the other foot, you cry. Laughable.
 
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Polanski was convicted and got a higher sentence than he plea bargained for and then skipped town while it was being appealed.

The point was, with Snowden too, that other countries may not think much of the American justice systems handling of cases just as Americans now don't think much of the Italian justice system in this case.

As an American, I'll be the first to admit that our justice system is a joke. I'm not a fan. I also think patriotism is retarded.

However, I don't know a thing about the Italian justice system so I can't say if it's any better or worse. I'm honestly not interested in knowing either because it's not something that will ever affect me.

Also, for anyone to be bitching about America not extraditing this woman when you have Roman Polanski sitting in France sipping wine is hypocritical.

What we need to do, and this goes for both the Europeans and Americans, is quit doing our "ra ra" patriotism gig, and quit refusing to extradite criminals because we believe our own courts are superior to everyone else's.

I have no time for that.

What we need to do is worry about getting to the truth. Did Polansky rape a 13 year old girl? Yes, so he should be punished. Simple. Did this Amanda Knox kill someone in Italy? I don't know. If she didn't, don't send her back. If she did, then she needs to be in jail and not in a safe haven.
 
I thought you were going to say send them Obama. Aren't the Italians still upset about American "agents" scooping up that Egyptian Imam on terrorist charges a few years back - don't they have some US soldiers in custody on that? Would hate to see a kind of "hostage taking" situation develop between the two countries.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Please provide a link about US soldiers who are in custody in Italy on such charges.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Polanski was convicted and got a higher sentence than he plea bargained for and then skipped town while it was being appealed.

The point was, with Snowden too, that other countries may not think much of the American justice systems handling of cases just as Americans now don't think much of the Italian justice system in this case.

You are mistaken. Polanski drugged and raped an underage girl. He pleaded guilty, then escaped the country before he was sentenced, so the excuse that he "got more time than he bargained for" is totally bogus, since he was long gone before any sentence was pronounced.

American justice may suck, as you consistently opine, but unlike Italy, we don't retry people time after time after time until we get the verdict that we want. Once a person is acquitted, jeopardy applies and that person cannot be tried for that crime ever again. Italy apparently can retry people until they are happy with the outcome, no matter how many trials they must have in order to get that outcome.

Anything else about how horrible American justice is that you'd like to fling at the wall in the hope that it sticks?
 
American justice may suck, as you consistently opine, but unlike Italy, we don't retry people time after time after time until we get the verdict that we want. Once a person is acquitted, jeopardy applies and that person cannot be tried for that crime ever again. Italy apparently can retry people until they are happy with the outcome, no matter how many trials they must have in order to get that outcome.

Anything else about how horrible American justice is that you'd like to fling at the wall in the hope that it sticks?

How about getting to the truth? I think that's more important than preserving some ideal of double jeopardy.
 
How about getting to the truth? I think that's more important than preserving some ideal of double jeopardy.

Kinda hard to get at "the truth" when the investigation and evidence gathering has been tainted by inept, completely incompetent investigators. But hey, if you are one of those that believes that it's okay to keep trying people over and over and over again, until the "correct" verdict has finally been reached, I suggest that this side of the pond is probably not where your heart or your ideology lies.
 
Kinda hard to get at "the truth" when the investigation and evidence gathering has been tainted by inept, completely incompetent investigators. But hey, if you are one of those that believes that it's okay to keep trying people over and over and over again, until the "correct" verdict has finally been reached, I suggest that this side of the pond is probably not where your heart or your ideology lies.

I'm a free-thinking man free of the burden of any borders.

I believe what my logic and reasoning lead me to believe. And that is, there are times that double jeopardy is just fine.

What if you try someone for murder and they're found innocent, but later new evidence arises.... a new witness, new DNA techniques, something of that ilk... so that you're now fairly certain the killer went free.

In such a case, it's my opinion that there should be a re-trial.

Now that said, you shouldn't be able to re-try over and over again on the same evidence. That would lead to witch hunts. But there are times when it is appropriate.
 
I'm a free-thinking man free of the burden of any borders.

I believe what my logic and reasoning lead me to believe. And that is, there are times that double jeopardy is just fine.

What if you try someone for murder and they're found innocent, but later new evidence arises.... a new witness, new DNA techniques, something of that ilk... so that you're now fairly certain the killer went free.

In such a case, it's my opinion that there should be a re-trial.

Now that said, you shouldn't be able to re-try over and over again on the same evidence. That would lead to witch hunts. But there are times when it is appropriate.

I see. All right, what exactly is that "new" evidence that the Italian authorities have suddenly discovered? Please, share your knowledge and information with us.
 
As an American, I'll be the first to admit that our justice system is a joke. I'm not a fan. I also think patriotism is retarded.

However, I don't know a thing about the Italian justice system so I can't say if it's any better or worse. I'm honestly not interested in knowing either because it's not something that will ever affect me.

Also, for anyone to be bitching about America not extraditing this woman when you have Roman Polanski sitting in France sipping wine is hypocritical.

What we need to do, and this goes for both the Europeans and Americans, is quit doing our "ra ra" patriotism gig, and quit refusing to extradite criminals because we believe our own courts are superior to everyone else's.

I have no time for that.

What we need to do is worry about getting to the truth. Did Polansky rape a 13 year old girl? Yes, so he should be punished. Simple. Did this Amanda Knox kill someone in Italy? I don't know. If she didn't, don't send her back. If she did, then she needs to be in jail and not in a safe haven.

Can't argue with your comments - I don't think anyone knows the "truth" as to what happened with Amanda Knox and her roommates that night - the case was handled poorly. My comments were simply related to the international laws and processes for detaining and extraditing people convicted or charged in other countries.

With Polanski, if I'm not mistaken, he had/has dual citizenship in the US and France, so the French were protecting him - protecting their citizen - similar to how the US will no doubt protect Knox - but Polanski was detained in Switzerland, I think, where he had a home and where he travelled frequently - I'm not sure why they detained him last year after letting him travel freely for decades, but I guess the US reissued the request.

Personally, I think the American justice system is very fair to those accused but a little to harsh when it comes to punishment. The Italian system seems a little odd but I don't know the details. As for "double jeopardy", I'm pretty sure in Canada if there are errors in a trial, the prosecution can retry the case even if an accused was acquitted, so that part isn't uncommon.
 
I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Please provide a link about US soldiers who are in custody in Italy on such charges.



You are mistaken. Polanski drugged and raped an underage girl. He pleaded guilty, then escaped the country before he was sentenced, so the excuse that he "got more time than he bargained for" is totally bogus, since he was long gone before any sentence was pronounced.

American justice may suck, as you consistently opine, but unlike Italy, we don't retry people time after time after time until we get the verdict that we want. Once a person is acquitted, jeopardy applies and that person cannot be tried for that crime ever again. Italy apparently can retry people until they are happy with the outcome, no matter how many trials they must have in order to get that outcome.

Anything else about how horrible American justice is that you'd like to fling at the wall in the hope that it sticks?

Sorry to bust your agenda bubble and ruin your screed against me, but I didn't "opine" that the US justice system sucks even if you imagined I did.

Secondly, my apologies - it wasn't US soldiers, it was US CIA agents who kidnapped the Egyptian cleric in Italy - BBC News - Italy upholds verdict on CIA agents in rendition case

Finally, I know what Polanski did - what's often confused is what happened at his trial and his subsequent flight to France - here's a recap from Wiki Roman Polanski sexual abuse case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - you can accept it or dismiss it as you choose - however, it does uphold what I posted related to Polanski's trial/conviction/sentence.

Whatever burr you have in your butt isn't appreciated or welcomed.
 
Sorry to bust your agenda bubble and ruin your screed against me, but I didn't "opine" that the US justice system sucks even if you imagined I did.

Secondly, my apologies - it wasn't US soldiers, it was US CIA agents who kidnapped the Egyptian cleric in Italy - BBC News - Italy upholds verdict on CIA agents in rendition case

So in fact, no Americans are "in custody" for kidnapping an Egyptian cleric in Italy. You... were mistaken. :lol:

Finally, I know what Polanski did - what's often confused is what happened at his trial and his subsequent flight to France - here's a recap from Wiki Roman Polanski sexual abuse case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - you can accept it or dismiss it as you choose - however, it does uphold what I posted related to Polanski's trial/conviction/sentence.

First, you have offered no link to support your contention. Second, I have offered a link which supports that Polanski had no trial, because he pleaded guilty to the charges! Roman Polanski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So there was no trial/conviction/sentence... because he pleaded guilty to drugging and raping a 13-yr-old girl, then fled the country before his sentence could be imposed.

Whatever burr you have in your butt isn't appreciated or welcomed.

Wow. Is that a personal attack because you cannot refute the facts I have presented to you? Hmm. It seems so to me.
 
Yep, if a European country were to block an extradition process like that the American government would not be happy.

Okay, I understand.
And I wondered about that. Populations get rather emotional, when the question of extradition of nationals is concerned. Often the treaties do not allow it or only for certain crimes and circumstance. This certainly is true of German law in some situations and in the case of Russia. I suspect the same might be true of the US.
 
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