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Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

I know literally nothing about this case, she killed her roommate or something right? But either way double jeopardy is something we should never respect.

That's American law. Would you expect another country to extradict someone who's facing capital punishment in the US?
 
I mentioned Roman Polanski earlier, but what I forgot was the much more current name in the extradition circus news - Edward Snowden.
 
What is funny here is Americans actually believe this bitch because she is pretty and has a good PR team.

I do not think most Americans remember her but vaguely.

I too followed the case pretty closely and can say I have serious doubts about her and the boyfriend. They acted very strangely after the murder and had inconsistent stories.

That is a Tell but given they had come upon a murder scene they were probably still in shock.

Along with the evidence that was not tainted by incompetence.. like that the whole scene looked staged as a burglary.. and you can only conclude that either they did it or were heavily involved in the murder.

Or maybe a third party did the murder and then set it up to look like a "scene looked staged as a burglary".

As for the trial being a sham trial and the Italian court system being inept and corrupt.. funny coming from the Americans.. who piss up and down on the law depending on how much money you have or where you are from.

I know that money can buy better lawyers and the State should provide dedicated lawyers to the defense of the accused and sometimes people of status get deference because judges like to go into those circles but they are exceptions when they occur.

Amanda got consular help.. pity the US does not give that to people visiting the US..

The visitors own consular service of their home country shold be the one providing that.

Well I Amanda Knox wont be leaving the US for the rest of her life.. because step outside and an international arrest warrant will bring her back to Italy to serve her time.

She should be able to go to countries that do not have a extradition treaty with Italy; but until the conviction is overturned again, yeah she is limited.
 
Most people are certainly interested in justice, but trying someone three [3] times for the same crime tis abit overboard.

Double jeopardy doesn't apply in Italy, nor in many jurisdictions. I'm sure she won't be extradited, and will spend the rest of her life within the US. Still, who says crime doesn't pay? I hear Harper Collins are going to pay her $4 million for her account of the murder and trial.
 
No?
Way to deflate a good retort. Yeesh.

You asked me a simple question so I gave you a simple answer, no I would not expect a person potentially facing the death penalty in the US to be extradited to the US by a foreign country if the death penalty went against a fundamental principle of that country. The banning of double jeopardy is a fundamental principle of the US and beyond that I feel its one that personally must be promised in order to help ensure a stable society and honest judicial system.

Why are you angry at me :(
 
Yep, if a European country were to block an extradition process like that the American government would not be happy.

Showing utter ignorance of the American justice system. It's called double jeopardy. She can't be tried and retried endlessly for the same crime. Canada and other nations block the extradition process all the time and thus far we haven't gone ape**** over it.
 
You asked me a simple question so I gave you a simple answer, no I would not expect a person potentially facing the death penalty in the US to be extradited to the US by a foreign country if the death penalty went against a fundamental principle of that country. The banning of double jeopardy is a fundamental principle of the US and beyond that I feel its one that personally must be promised in order to help ensure a stable society and honest judicial system.

Why are you angry at me :(

Not. I thought I was being funny.
I may need to rethink my refusal to use those smiley-thingys.
 
Double jeopardy doesn't apply in Italy, nor in many jurisdictions. I'm sure she won't be extradited, and will spend the rest of her life within the US. Still, who says crime doesn't pay? I hear Harper Collins are going to pay her $4 million for her account of the murder and trial.

Good for her. Too bad Italy doesn't have to chip in as well for their shoddy treatment of her.
 
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court - CNN.com

apparently she was sentenced to 28.5 years

of course she isn't in Italy

I think the verdict is more of a condemnation of the laughably inept, corrupt and completely dysfunctional Italian justice system.

One former prosecutor doubts the USA would grant extradition given the double jeopardy argument


I followed this trial pretty closely and read numerous reviews. Based on what I learned, I would have "Rule 29'd" the case. (meaning grant the defense a directed verdict at the close of the prosecution case). The Prosecution was a joke in this matter

Agreed. I can't see her being extradited because of double jeopardy either.

I didn't really follow the trial but was honestly stunned when I learned in Italy that acquittals are appealable.
That seems perverse.
 
I don't have the answer, but I think any country that is part of Interpol would also be involved since as a convicted felon, Ms. Knox may have an arrest warrant issued through Interpol for her capture. I don't know what would happen if she travelled to a country that did not have an extradition treaty with Italy but was a party to Interpol and she was arrested.

Actually, if I was an American and lived in America, I'd have no trouble spending the rest of my life in your great country - As a Canadian, I'd have no trouble living out my life in Canada as well. The US is so varied and vast that it should meet anyone in her position's need for vacation and travel options.

The following countries currently have extradition treaties with Italy. Argentina, Australia, Austria, The Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Costa Rica, Cuba, Germany, Kenya, Lesotho, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, The Vatican, Singapore, Sri Lanka, The United States of America and Uruguay and the European Union.

Still leaves her with around 160 not having such treaties with Italy. I agree with just staying within the U.S. boundaries.
Will have to get back with you on Interpol interventions. Believe permission needs to be given depending on treaties.
 
When I came back to Dublin I was court-martialled in my absence and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence.
Brendan Behan
 
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court - CNN.com

apparently she was sentenced to 28.5 years

of course she isn't in Italy

I think the verdict is more of a condemnation of the laughably inept, corrupt and completely dysfunctional Italian justice system.

One former prosecutor doubts the USA would grant extradition given the double jeopardy argument


I followed this trial pretty closely and read numerous reviews. Based on what I learned, I would have "Rule 29'd" the case. (meaning grant the defense a directed verdict at the close of the prosecution case). The Prosecution was a joke in this matter

There's a book called "The Monster of Florence" that goes into some depth on on the author's personal experiences with the Italian criminal justice system. To call it "inept" would be the understatement of the century. I'd hate to be caught up in the American justice system. If even half that book is true then to be caught up in Italy's would be much, much worse.
 
What is funny here is Americans actually believe this bitch because she is pretty and has a good PR team.

I too followed the case pretty closely and can say I have serious doubts about her and the boyfriend. They acted very strangely after the murder and had inconsistent stories. Along with the evidence that was not tainted by incompetence.. like that the whole scene looked staged as a burglary.. and you can only conclude that either they did it or were heavily involved in the murder.

As for the trial being a sham trial and the Italian court system being inept and corrupt.. funny coming from the Americans.. who piss up and down on the law depending on how much money you have or where you are from. Amanda got consular help.. pity the US does not give that to people visiting the US..

Well I Amanda Knox wont be leaving the US for the rest of her life.. because step outside and an international arrest warrant will bring her back to Italy to serve her time.

She's quilty as hell. There's at least one American that doesn't believe her. But...gasp...the America haters think she's guilty because she's an American.
 
It doesn't surprise me that the court found her guilty. They have to pander to their people who were no doubt upset that she was aquitted last time and allowed to leave. IE this was just a sham court. They know that the US won't extradite due to our double jeapordy clause.

I followed this case fairly closely and I couldn't believe that they convicted her in the first trial considering how inept the forensic team was in gathering their "evidence". If such a thing had happened in the US to the extent that it happend with Ms. Knox I wouldn't have blamed the judge one iota for summarily dismissing the case out right. Even if I thought that she was guilty as all get out. All other evidence that wasn't contaminated was based on conjecture and leaves alot of room for reasonable doubt.
 
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court - CNN.com

apparently she was sentenced to 28.5 years

of course she isn't in Italy

I think the verdict is more of a condemnation of the laughably inept, corrupt and completely dysfunctional Italian justice system.

One former prosecutor doubts the USA would grant extradition given the double jeopardy argument


I followed this trial pretty closely and read numerous reviews. Based on what I learned, I would have "Rule 29'd" the case. (meaning grant the defense a directed verdict at the close of the prosecution case). The Prosecution was a joke in this matter

I agree. I've read and heard a lot of the evidence in this case, and I haven't heard ANY evidence indicating she was involved. It was one weirdo guy's DNA all over the crime scene. It was HE who then claimed, after he was arrested and confessed, that Knox was involved. Like why would anyone believe that weirdo?

I totally agree with her attorney, who said that there is no evidence at all to prove Amanda Knox's guilt in this case. Makes me wonder what the Italians are trying to hide. An inept investigation?
 
Simple solution, if the Itallians ask for extradition just send them OJ instead. :mrgreen:
 
and yet if the US doesnt get what it wants it throws the toys out of the pram...

the purpose of a government is, among other things, protecting the rights of its citizens when its citizens are threatened by criminal conduct by a foreign nation. And like it or not, on the world stage, might makes right. And I'd rather pay taxes for our government to kick some Italian ass if they seize this girl than paying all the money we do to bail out has been countries who piss on our boots after we help them
 
The Italians won't be "seizing" anyone, anywhere, other than in Italy. However, with extradition treaties around the world and Interpol operating worldwide, if she travels out of the US anytime in the future while the conviction is still on the books, she can be apprehended and subject to extradition to Italy. The system doesn't work if countries make value judgements about the judicial systems in member countries.

Besides, ever hear of Roman Polanski?

yeah an American citizen who engaged in a crime in America and was never tried--a bit more blatant than this case
 
Is anyone interested in justice?

Yeah having spent almost 3 decades in this area of law, The Italian system is a complete joke
 
If the Italians seize a US citizen in any place but Italy, the USA should send in a hit team as it would be an act of war. My local gun club could probably take out the Italian military in about a day

Given their recent military history, I'd say you're being generous with a day. Just speak loudly and they'll surrender. Hell, the Ethiopians armed with spears beat them in WWII.
 
I agree. I've read and heard a lot of the evidence in this case, and I haven't heard ANY evidence indicating she was involved. It was one weirdo guy's DNA all over the crime scene. It was HE who then claimed, after he was arrested and confessed, that Knox was involved. Like why would anyone believe that weirdo?

I totally agree with her attorney, who said that there is no evidence at all to prove Amanda Knox's guilt in this case. Makes me wonder what the Italians are trying to hide. An inept investigation?

Yes, but she's a ...gasp...American! In the eyes of the America-bashers, who are well represented here, that automatically makes her guilty. These guys are nothing if not predictable.
 
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court - CNN.com

apparently she was sentenced to 28.5 years

of course she isn't in Italy

I think the verdict is more of a condemnation of the laughably inept, corrupt and completely dysfunctional Italian justice system.

One former prosecutor doubts the USA would grant extradition given the double jeopardy argument


I followed this trial pretty closely and read numerous reviews. Based on what I learned, I would have "Rule 29'd" the case. (meaning grant the defense a directed verdict at the close of the prosecution case). The Prosecution was a joke in this matter

Hopefully our country gives Italy a big middle finger when they demand that we hand over Knox.
 
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