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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    It's the Italian legal system's fault that justice will never be done, Knox being guilty or not.

    Oh noes, she can never leave America. Do you think she's ever want to after what happened?

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How about getting to the truth? I think that's more important than preserving some ideal of double jeopardy.
    The cards are stacked obscenely in favor of the government if for no other reason than they have a practically unlimited supply of money and manpower to achieve a conviction. If the people can't get a conviction the first time around they don't deserve a do over.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The cards are stacked obscenely in favor of the government if for no other reason than they have a practically unlimited supply of money and manpower to achieve a conviction. If the people can't get a conviction the first time around they don't deserve a do over.
    But they got a conviction the first time around... and all that is in the appeal process now, with the first appeal freeing her on technicalities but the second appeal agreeing with the original conviction.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm a free-thinking man free of the burden of any borders.

    I believe what my logic and reasoning lead me to believe. And that is, there are times that double jeopardy is just fine.

    What if you try someone for murder and they're found innocent, but later new evidence arises.... a new witness, new DNA techniques, something of that ilk... so that you're now fairly certain the killer went free.

    In such a case, it's my opinion that there should be a re-trial.

    Now that said, you shouldn't be able to re-try over and over again on the same evidence. That would lead to witch hunts. But there are times when it is appropriate.
    and in this case, there is no such evidence whatsoever



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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    But they got a conviction the first time around... and all that is in the appeal process now, with the first appeal freeing her on technicalities but the second appeal agreeing with the original conviction.
    I'm interested to know more about why the second appeal agreed with the original conviction. It's an interesting case and I feel for the victims family having this drama played out over and over.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I'm interested to know more about why the second appeal agreed with the original conviction. It's an interesting case and I feel for the victims family having this drama played out over and over.
    politics, pure politics. The Italian decision said there was additional evidence NOT presented to the jury that if the JURY heard it would support conviction.

    I handled a hundred+ serious federal criminal appeals. The rights American defendants have is far far higher than what goes on in most countries. Is our system perfect-of course not, but federal defendants whom were pretty obviously guilty have walked dozens of times because the Courts prevent the DOJ from presenting all the evidence etc



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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    She would be apprehended by local police on the basis of an Interpol Red Notice or, were she silly enough to set foot in the EU, subject to a European Arrest Warrant.
    I'm betting the whole incident has soured her a bit on foreign travel anyway.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The cards are stacked obscenely in favor of the government if for no other reason than they have a practically unlimited supply of money and manpower to achieve a conviction. If the people can't get a conviction the first time around they don't deserve a do over.
    That's an excellent point. I've never thought of it that way before. I'd have to say I agree.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The cards are stacked obscenely in favor of the government if for no other reason than they have a practically unlimited supply of money and manpower to achieve a conviction.
    In those countries where Double Jeopardy is not an absolute principle, it is nevertheless extremely difficult for the state to make a case unless new evidence comes to light.
    If the people can't get a conviction the first time around they don't deserve a do over.
    Not even if new evidence is unearthed?
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The DA considered himself under obligation to put Polanski on trial if he could
    Which is why he's an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    and just because the victim has forgiven Polanski that is not a reason not to do a trial.
    It is.

    The whole purpose of justice in a rape is compensating the victim. So if the victim doesn't care, then it's waste of the public's time and resources for an elected official to prosecute, when there are more pressing cases waiting to be prosecuted.

    The decision showed severe lack of judgement and maturity on the part of the prosecutor. Emphasis on maturity.

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