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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    First of all, Assange is no longer in London . No one could survive that long holed up in an embassy room--that's just a ruse to conceal his true whereabouts. He negotiated a flight out w/the UK govt. by threatening to reveal incriminating info on an influential individual (Lord, CEO, etc.) within the UK (or US). Most likely he's in Russia, but it's also possible he's in China.
    That's just an opinion rather than a fact.


    Quote Originally Posted by solletica
    As for Knox, legally she should be extradited if her conviction is upheld by Italy's Supreme Court. However, the US govt. has a reputation for routinely ignoring all international laws and treaties. ALL international treaties that aren't enforceable are meaningless.
    Whilst I agree that Knox should be extradited, the US is a signatory in terms of mutual extradition agreements and can't just ignore them or others will merely do the same when America tries to extradite people, in this respect extradition is very different to international law. In terms of extradition, America tries to extradite far more people than most nations. Furthermore it is virtually unheard of for someone not to extradited on a such a straight forward murder case as compared to more complex highly political cases, and it will be seen as a snub by the Italian judiciary and indeed by many people in both Italy and indeed the UK.

    It's one sided treaty in terms of the UK any way and I would be more than happy for the UK to scrap extradition the current treaty altogether.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    That's just an opinion rather than a fact.
    It's a logical conclusion--the UK govt. certainly doesn't care about honoring Ecuador's territorial integrity in an embassy, so that can't be the reason the UK won't arrest him.

    Hence, the only way for Assange to remain free is to have an ace card. ANd if he had such a card, he would've made good use of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    Whilst I agree that Knox should be extradited, the US is a signatory in terms of mutual extradition agreements and can't just ignore them or others will merely do the same when America tries to extradite people,
    The US does ignore treaties, and other countries treat the US in kind, i. e. Switzerland w/Polanski, Hong Kong w/Snowden, etc.

    She won't be extradited for no other reason that it would be the end of Kerry's political career.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    in this respect extradition is very different to international law. In terms of extradition, America tries to extradite far more people than most nations. Furthermore it is virtually unheard of for someone not to extradited on a such a straight forward murder case as compared to more complex highly political cases, and it will be seen as a snub by the Italian judiciary and indeed by many people in both Italy and indeed the UK.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's a logical conclusion--the UK govt. certainly doesn't care about honoring Ecuador's territorial integrity in an embassy, so that can't be the reason the UK won't arrest him.

    Hence, the only way for Assange to remain free is to have an ace card. ANd if he had such a card, he would've made good use of it.
    Why do you keep going on about Assange and Britain, he's not really wanted by Britain. He's an Australian Citizen wanted for sex offences in Sweden under a European Arrest Warrant which Britain has to adhere to under European Law, apparently if he is returned to Sweden he fears the Swedes will extradite him to America for leaking US Secret Documents on his wiki-leaks website. He is supposedly still holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, which leaves Britain with an expensive policing bill having to put police outside the Embassy 24 hours a day. He hasn't done anything wrong in Britain and nobody cares if he goes, in fact most would welcome the fact that we would no longer have to keep paying for a ridiculous 24 hour policing outside a foreign embassy for a man who hasn't even done anything wrong in this country.


    Quote Originally Posted by solletica
    The US does ignore treaties, and other countries treat the US in kind, i. e. Switzerland w/Polanski, Hong Kong w/Snowden, etc.

    She won't be extradited for no other reason that it would be the end of Kerry's political career.
    Different countries have different treaties, the French won't extradite national citizens beyond the realms of EU agreements and certainly not to the US, however Italy and the UK have a very different extradition treaty to the Swiss and French.

    Indeed what generally happens in terms of extradition treaties is what goes around comes around, and if the US starts refusing to extradite people, others will simply return the favour or even review extradition arrangements altogether. I would certainly be surprised if the Italians didn't take some action, given the way it's legal system has been portrayed by the US Media and the fact it's not usual for a criminal murder extradition to be refused.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In those countries where Double Jeopardy is not an absolute principle, it is nevertheless extremely difficult for the state to make a case unless new evidence comes to light.
    Not even if new evidence is unearthed?
    It would only encourage the attorneys to hold back some info so they can retry it again.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Which is why he's an idiot.



    It is.

    The whole purpose of justice in a rape is compensating the victim. So if the victim doesn't care, then it's waste of the public's time and resources for an elected official to prosecute, when there are more pressing cases waiting to be prosecuted.

    The decision showed severe lack of judgement and maturity on the part of the prosecutor. Emphasis on maturity.
    Nope, under our system of justice trials are not for the benefit of the wronged, but are for the general society to remove those members that have caused harm. Now Civil trials on the other hand are for the benefit of the wronged.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The case for professional juries: exhibit A
    He would likely be filtered out. Having jurors is a check that the People have on the Judaical branch and also on the Legislative when nullification is made.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Nope, under our system of justice trials are not for the benefit of the wronged, but are for the general society to remove those members that have caused harm.
    And the extent of that harm is appropriately determined best by the victim.

    OTOH, if victims are forced to testify against their will against those who hurt them, then fewer (not more) rape victims will report crimes.

    The DA in this case actually doesn't care about justice. He's just a clueless, pathetic self-serving moron who wants international attention, even if it's at the expense of others (i. e. Samantha).

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    The curious case of the Italian legal system continues in which they hand out guilty verdicts but don't have to explain why until months after the fact. Yet the judge has decided to talk to the media, being a professional and all.

    While not making any direct reference to a motive for the crime, Nencini emphasised the chance nature of the evening and reportedly stated: "If Amanda had gone to work, we probably wouldn't be here."
    "I would not like the judge to be implying something else: that perhaps Raffaele, in order to have his innocence recognised, should have accused Amanda of the killing of Meredith Kercher," she told La Stampa
    Amanda Knox case judge lambasted by Raffaele Sollecito's lawyers for remarks | World news | The Guardian




    What a joke.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Sollecito. SOLLECITO.

    Based on the evidence of your previous posts, the jury is still out regarding your grasp of the trial evidence.
    Deflecting to cover up your own ignorance of the case, eh?

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The case for professional juries: exhibit A
    It was a professional bench of judges that convicted her, not a jury.
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