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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    "Must have been mindful of something more than the prosecutor's gut instinct." And yet, nobody can seem to tell anyone exactly what they were mindful of. As much media scrutiny as this has had, not a single source has been able to report a single shred of physical evidence against these people. It all boils down to the fact that the two of them did not act the way innocent people should act, according to Italian police and prosecutors.
    I'm digging around, but I can't find much. I don't know whether the judges' deliberations will be made public, but that would help.

    I have learned from reading this thread that many from across the pond seem to believe that if the US doesn't extradite its own citizen to a judicial proceeding that is literally considered to be double jeopardy under our own judicial system, that a great many Europeans will have their noses out of joint.
    I don't think it's a question of noses out of joint. It's more that if one has an extradition treaty in place, one should abide by it...or ditch it.

    On the double jeopardy issue, I've already stated that I don't think this is one. This latest verdict is the result of the appeal process from the original indictment, hence no new evidence needed. The judges would have made their decision on the basis of their assessment of the conduct of the original trial and subsequent appeal. Despite the unconstitutional nature of double jeopardy in the US judicial system, I've shown in previous posts that the same process that has just happened in Italy could happen in the US - it is entirely feasible that an acquittal may be set aside and a retrial ordered. That's not double jeopardy.

    At this point, it seems to a lot of Americans to be an exercise in international face-saving by the Italians, who have by nearly all accounts totally screwed the pooch on this case, and botched it royally from the very first moments of the investigation.
    Oh, I think there's an awful lot of that going on, and you don't have to be an American to recognise it. They effed up big time.

    If she did it, ship her back to Italy and we'll see her in 30 years. But first, be so kind as to provide at least a modicum of actual evidence that she committed the crime. That's pretty much the most common American view of this silliness.
    It's true the Italian authorities aren't going out of their way to make public their case. Transparency isn't seen as a virtue in many jurisdictions, and their priority now is probably not doing some PR job with the American public, hence I would expect people to push for non-compliance with any extradition move.

    Of course this is all muddied a bit by the ongoing disquiet that many Europeans feel about the perception that the extradition treaties between the US and its European friends are badly skewed in favour of US interests, rather than seeking equal treatment. There are arguments to be made both ways. I don't believe however that the outcome of this trial is being determined by any anti-American bias. As I pointed out, her co-defendant, who received exactly the same treatment and verdicts from each of the three hearings, was not American.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    It should be noted that Cross contamination was ruled out by DNA Experts and the Italian Courts, and that there is significant DNA evidence therefore against Knox, who also continually changed her story during questioning including initially suggesting she was there and heard Meredith's scream to being far away from the scene with somebody else. At the police station after the murder she did cartwheels, smiled and kissed her boyfriend and has remained a very strange character through out. I also don't blame Meredith's Brother and Sister for wanting her extradited back to Italy if she is found guilty in the final appeal process.

    The Murder of Meredith Kercher

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    The real victims in this case are Meredith's family in Britain, who will never see their much loved daughter and sister again. Although this is often forgotten.


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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    He was. He was acquitted and released at exactly the same time as Knox. He was only rearrested the day before yesterday as he was, apparently, making his way to the Austrian border.
    It turns out he was visiting his current girlfriend. He willingly handed in his passport.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I can only speak to the federal system; The federal public defender's office in Cincinnati had some of the best trial attorneys in the entire district.
    Maybe so, but you were commenting on the entire italian justice system, and most american defendants are not tried in federal court or have federal attorneys appointed to them.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    I submit that if Amanda Knox herself would enter each of her stories (as she changed them more than her panties) as separate entries into this thread, it would be well over 80 pages by now. Funny how people demonize the justice system of other countries and assume she is innocent just because she's good looking and an American.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Meredith's Brother and Sister's recent interview can be found here -

    Amanda Knox Weeps And Vows To 'Fight Till End'

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    It turns out he was visiting his current girlfriend. He willingly handed in his passport.
    Yeah, I just read that.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    There is a prejudice at work here, but anti-Americanism it's not. People are titillated by the hypothetical bitchy femme fatale character in Knox. Reason why Guede who we know beyond a shadow of a fact raped the victim and the Italian boyfriend get close to zero media coverage.

    There is very little physical evidence pointing Knox's way. All there is Mereith's DNA on Solletica's knife, which wasn't allowed to be matched to the wounds on the body. All we have is changing testimonies which have been assumed on one side to be an indication of guilt and another to be an indication of language barriers and police strong arming. Not really enough proof by any standard.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    She must be guilty, the Daily Mail says so, and they are honest as Fox news.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    She must be guilty, the Daily Mail says so, and they are honest as Fox news.


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