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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

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    It's because the US has more open immigration laws. If the Netherlands, Finland, or Iceland had similar immigration laws, they would go there instead.
    Uh wrong.

    It is easier to immigrate there. Just that no one wants to they would rather come here.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

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    It's also no longer enforced in the US.
    Really?

    Did we stop having elections?

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    Did The Supreme court decisions all get ignored?

    Did we have churches banned or newspapers or guns?

    I realize parts have been adapted such as war powers but it is still law of the land followed and enforced.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    A good ruling by the Italian appeals court. It was never finalized by the Supreme Court of Italy, which is required by their law, so double jeopardy is out for Amanda Knox as a defense. Having followed this for several years now, it is obvious she and her boyfriend almost got away with murder, and were happy to leave the one young African man to take the rap alone. It may take some time, but there is nothing in US law that should keep her from being extradited.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    A good ruling by the Italian appeals court. It was never finalized by the Supreme Court of Italy, which is required by their law, so double jeopardy is out for Amanda Knox as a defense. Having followed this for several years now, it is obvious she and her boyfriend almost got away with murder, and were happy to leave the one young African man to take the rap alone. It may take some time, but there is nothing in US law that should keep her from being extradited.
    Really? Obvious, was it? What exactly was the evidence against them? You know, the forensics, the DNA, the blood spatter on their clothing, the fiber evidence, the witnesses, their bloody fingerprints on the murder weapon? Everything I've ever read about that case says that there isn't a single iota of physical evidence connecting them to the crime beyond the fact that a prosecutor who was himself tried for misconduct basically felt in his gut that they had done it. That, and she was an American.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That, and she was an American.
    How do you explain the fact that her co-defendant, convicted on exactly the same evidence, was Italian?
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    How do you explain the fact that her co-defendant, convicted on exactly the same evidence, was Italian?
    Perhaps you can answer what the actual physical evidence against them was. I'm not the brightest porchlight on the block when it comes to global jurisprudence, but most western courts of law do actually require more than the prosecutor's gut instinct to convict someone of murder. According to everything I've read and seen, the only thing everyone seems to agree on is that there was no physical evidence whatsoever.

    Also, why wasn't her co-defendant's conviction also overturned on appeal? Why wasn't he released at the same time she was? None of what the Italian courts have done makes any sense whatsoever to me.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So its Switzerland that refuses to extradite him? And here I thought it was France. Huh! Those newspapers must have it all wrong. Polanski is about as French as I am.
    Switzerland detained him on the warrant issued by the US but refused to extradite him and released him - he returned to France - the French refuse to even detain him. Polanski had dual French/American citizenship at the time of the crime. If you have dual French/American citizenship, then yes, you're as French as Polanski is.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Perhaps you can answer what the actual physical evidence against them was. I'm not the brightest porchlight on the block when it comes to global jurisprudence, but most western courts of law do actually require more than the prosecutor's gut instinct to convict someone of murder. According to everything I've read and seen, the only thing everyone seems to agree on is that there was no physical evidence whatsoever.
    No, I can't give you a summary of the evidence. I'm sure that info must be available somewhere, but that's not really the issue. The issue is that this conviction has been handed down by the Court of Cassation, which is the highest court of last resort in the Italian criminal justice system. It comprises 5 senior judges and its decisions are not subject to jury decision. Those 5 learned judges must have been mindful of something more than the prosecutor's gut instinct.

    It's been a pig's ear of a case from start to finish. That doesn't necessarily mean that the final outcome (we haven't reached that point yet, btw) will inevitably give the wrong verdict. I certainly think you can discount the idea that this has something to do with anti-Americanism - the US really isn't as unpopular in Europe as all of you here seem to believe you are - and do you really believe the highest criminal court in the land would perjure itself in order to deal a blow against the Yankees?

    Also, why wasn't her co-defendant's conviction also overturned on appeal? Why wasn't he released at the same time she was? None of what the Italian courts have done makes any sense whatsoever to me.
    He was. He was acquitted and released at exactly the same time as Knox. He was only rearrested the day before yesterday as he was, apparently, making his way to the Austrian border.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    But the US should extradite their own citizens? That's rather a double standard, don't you think?
    Never said that. France has no extradition treaty as far as I know, but Italy does.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, I can't give you a summary of the evidence. I'm sure that info must be available somewhere, but that's not really the issue. The issue is that this conviction has been handed down by the Court of Cassation, which is the highest court of last resort in the Italian criminal justice system. It comprises 5 senior judges and its decisions are not subject to jury decision. Those 5 learned judges must have been mindful of something more than the prosecutor's gut instinct.
    "Must have been mindful of something more than the prosecutor's gut instinct." And yet, nobody can seem to tell anyone exactly what they were mindful of. As much media scrutiny as this has had, not a single source has been able to report a single shred of physical evidence against these people. It all boils down to the fact that the two of them did not act the way innocent people should act, according to Italian police and prosecutors.

    It's been a pig's ear of a case from start to finish. That doesn't necessarily mean that the final outcome (we haven't reached that point yet, btw) will inevitably give the wrong verdict. I certainly think you can discount the idea that this has something to do with anti-Americanism - the US really isn't as unpopular in Europe as all of you here seem to believe you are - and do you really believe the highest criminal court in the land would perjure itself in order to deal a blow against the Yankees?
    I have no idea. I have learned from reading this thread that many from across the pond seem to believe that if the US doesn't extradite its own citizen to a judicial proceeding that is literally considered to be double jeopardy under our own judicial system, that a great many Europeans will have their noses out of joint. And still, not a single soul can tell me or anyone else what actual physical evidence connects these people to the crime, and what "new evidence" was presented at their "in absentia trial". At this point, it seems to a lot of Americans to be an exercise in international face-saving by the Italians, who have by nearly all accounts totally screwed the pooch on this case, and botched it royally from the very first moments of the investigation.

    If she did it, ship her back to Italy and we'll see her in 30 years. But first, be so kind as to provide at least a modicum of actual evidence that she committed the crime. That's pretty much the most common American view of this silliness.

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