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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's just a legal document. I agree with about 70-80 percent of it, the rest is crap.

    For instance, you ever hear of the 3/5 rule? That's where blacks were considered only 3/5ths human. That's right there in the American Constitution.

    Sure, it was amended, but that's the point.
    It is always humorous to read these sort of statements from people who read the document but not the reasons behind it.

    The 3/5ths clause was not a declaration or definition of a black person as 3/5ths of a person it was a compromise to prevent slave owning states from using their slaves as votes ( controlled by the slave owner of course ) which would have tipped the scales against states without slavery. The clause was actually put in place to limit slavery and it's spread not to place value on slavery or define people.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    It is always humorous to read these sort of statements from people who read the document but not the reasons behind it.

    The 3/5ths clause was not a declaration or definition of a black person as 3/5ths of a person it was a compromise to prevent slave owning states from using their slaves as votes ( controlled by the slave owner of course ) which would have tipped the scales against states without slavery. The clause was actually put in place to limit slavery and it's spread not to place value on slavery or define people.
    It still shows the fallibility of the document, doesn't it?

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the USA doesn't send this young lady to Italy when Italy asks for her extradition, the USA can probably forget about Italy ever sending anyone to the USA.




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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's just a legal document. I agree with about 70-80 percent of it, the rest is crap.

    For instance, you ever hear of the 3/5 rule? That's where blacks were considered only 3/5ths human. That's right there in the American Constitution.

    Sure, it was amended, but that's the point.
    Where is this 3/5 rule in the Constitution?

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It still shows the fallibility of the document, doesn't it?
    Not really. At worst the founders were exhibiting the widely held view that slaves were not and could not be citizens because they were aliens and would likely show no loyalty to the a United States. At best they realized no Constitution with an outright slavery ban would be ratified and decided to let future governments deal with it. Of course that led to a catastrophic war.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where is this 3/5 rule in the Constitution?
    Article 1 Section 2. For purposes of counting population for determining the number of representatives in the House "other persons" ie slaves count as three fifths of a person.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Article 1 Section 2. For purposes of counting population for determining the number of representatives in the House "other persons" ie slaves count as three fifths of a person.
    Thank you. I forgot about that.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So is large parts of this country, ex: wisconsin, where last i heard, $3000 salary means "you can afford an attorney," so that many have to defend themselves in court.
    I can only speak to the federal system; The federal public defender's office in Cincinnati had some of the best trial attorneys in the entire district.



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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's just a legal document. I agree with about 70-80 percent of it, the rest is crap.

    For instance, you ever hear of the 3/5 rule? That's where blacks were considered only 3/5ths human. That's right there in the American Constitution.

    Sure, it was amended, but that's the point.
    Uh that is a simplistic and silly understanding. It was based on congressional representation The slave states wanted more congressional seats based on slaves. The North argued that since slaves could not vote, the south should not have additional congressional seats. The 3/5 rule was a compromise for the purposes of congressional representation



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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

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