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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I understand the difference quite well, thanks. I also understand context, as in your original post. You are now backpedaling.



    And...? Yes, he fled before sentence was pronounced, and was not extradited back to the US by France, which is the entire basis for using the Polanski case as a rebuttal when some here toss out the old "America has to honor extradition treaties with European countries because if they don't, European countries won't honor extradition treaties with America". The fact is that some European countries have NOT honored extradition treaties with America, and the world has not come to an end. Duh.



    You appear to be the one who is playing semantic games, and I am not the one who accused you of "having a burr up your butt". At any rate, my side of this conversation is over.
    1. I'm not backpedalling, and you clearly don't understand the difference or the context of my comments.

    2. Had you been paying attention to the discussion before you decided to jump in and attack me, you would have seen that at no time did I say that Polanski was a rebuttal because I actually said that the US would not honour a request to extradite Knox and have given examples of other countries not agreeing to US requests, such as Canada who won't extradite a fugitive to the US if the death penalty is involved. I mentioned Polanski and then Snowden as examples of US requests not being honoured, so not to expect the US to honour any request.

    3. I asked if you had some type of burr up your butt because your irrational out of the blue attack on me, falsely accusing me of "consistently claiming the American justice system sucks", when I wasn't discussing anything with you, indicated that you had a different agenda than the discussion taking place.

    Finally, suits me fine if your side of this conversation is over - the only thing better would be if you hadn't tossed in your ignorant comments to begin with.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is one consideration. Italy if it was smart wouldn't demand extradition. Their justice system is a joke
    So is large parts of this country, ex: wisconsin, where last i heard, $3000 salary means "you can afford an attorney," so that many have to defend themselves in court.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    While I agree in principle with your comments, ie US justice system sucks and therefore we have no leg to stand on while attempting to ridicule other country's systems, it does seem kind of cruel and unusual for a system to not accept the not guilty verdict of a jury and then re-try her on the same charges, double jeopardy I think that's called. That seems wrong in any system. I imagine we have our own version of that perversion here. In either place, that would seem quite wrong. Took her to trial, she was found not guilty, iirc, and that should be the end of it, imo.
    In the US all they will do is get their revenge on you if you ever go back to court. Just look at what happened to OJ. Does anyone really believe he deserved the sentence he got for the crime he was actually convicted for? I doubt it.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    Most people are certainly interested in justice, but trying someone three [3] times for the same crime tis abit overboard.
    If she's guilty of murder that's the least of what she deserves. Unfortunately, we simply don't know.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Canada's system is probably more pragmatic and fair than the American system, but Americans seem to think that our constitution was written by the hand of Jesus himself so you'll never get them to admit that.

    I never understood the cult-like reverence we have for our founding fathers and the constitution. It's just a legal document, for goodness sake. We are capable of making mistakes just like any other country.
    As founding documents go, the US constitution is pretty terrific from my perspective. To be able to live more than two centuries and to still seem fresh and relevant is pretty remarkable. No founding document should be too easily amended, so I appreciate the US reverance shown the constitution - ours in Canada is pretty hard to amend too, which is good although occasionally frustrating too.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    While I agree in principle with your comments, ie US justice system sucks and therefore we have no leg to stand on while attempting to ridicule other country's systems, it does seem kind of cruel and unusual for a system to not accept the not guilty verdict of a jury and then re-try her on the same charges, double jeopardy I think that's called. That seems wrong in any system. I imagine we have our own version of that perversion here. In either place, that would seem quite wrong. Took her to trial, she was found not guilty, iirc, and that should be the end of it, imo.
    I could be wrong, but Knox was convicted, by a jury, in the original trial in Italy - the jury conviction was voided on appeal, and sent back to retrial - this week's result is the outcome of that further appeal - Knox and her representatives refused to participate in the new trial - this week's result will no doubt be further appealled so a final outcome is not yet in place.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As founding documents go, the US constitution is pretty terrific from my perspective. To be able to live more than two centuries and to still seem fresh and relevant is pretty remarkable. No founding document should be too easily amended, so I appreciate the US reverance shown the constitution - ours in Canada is pretty hard to amend too, which is good although occasionally frustrating too.
    It's just a legal document. I agree with about 70-80 percent of it, the rest is crap.

    For instance, you ever hear of the 3/5 rule? That's where blacks were considered only 3/5ths human. That's right there in the American Constitution.

    Sure, it was amended, but that's the point.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's just a legal document. I agree with about 70-80 percent of it, the rest is crap.

    For instance, you ever hear of the 3/5 rule? That's where blacks were considered only 3/5ths human. That's right there in the American Constitution.

    Sure, it was amended, but that's the point.
    At the time, considering sentiment in the southern slave states, agreeing to the 3/5ths rule could be argued as enlightened. Of course, it now seems to be impossibly ignorant. No document is perfect, but it's more than just any old legal document, in my view.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    For people who come from free countries, the US is indeed like a prison.
    Is that why more of them immigrate here than the other way around?
    And yes I mean free countries not the banana republics south of the border.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He is a French citizen.. they do not extradite their own citizens.

    But the US should extradite their own citizens? That's rather a double standard, don't you think?

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