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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Nice try, but I'm not buying it. You are like a lot of European leftists - incredibly selective in the things that outrage you. You can always cherry pick anti-American bull**** from any newspaper, but you have to be looking for it in order to do so. I'd still bet the Guardian is on your daily reading list. It's anti-American from the first page to the last, and therefore is a great favorite with Euro-lefties.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're all for extraditing Polanski back to the US then?
    He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

    But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Nice try, but I'm not buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen
    You are like a lot of European leftists - incredibly selective in the things that outrage you. You can always cherry pick anti-American bull**** from any newspaper, but you have to be looking for it in order to do so. I'd still bet the Guardian is on your daily reading list. It's anti-American from the first page to the last, and therefore is a great favorite with Euro-lefties.
    I am a Euro Lefty now, what's that on the Joe McCarthy Communist Scale.

    I hardly think being critical of an extradition treaty between the US and UK is grounds to call me Anti-American, and as fir the Treaty it was signed by New Labour PM Tony Blair in 2003, with the right and indeed more right wing press being very critical of the treaty. Or do you consider the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph too left wing and liberal for your taste.

    As for the Knox case I have merely pointed out that under the current extradition treaty, the Italians have with the Americans they will expect Amanda Knox to be extradited if she is found guilty or they may review their extradition treaty in relation to extradition to the US and I am backed up on this matter by Bruce Zagaris a US Extradition specialist, who is quoted in many of the articles I have posted on this thread.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

    But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.
    No, they refused to extradite him because A) they are France, B) it gave them a chance to stick their finger in the eye of America, C) he's famous, and D) rape of a 13 year old girl is no big deal in that cesspool of a country.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

    But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.
    He skipped town before sentencing. But OK, it's OK for Europe to skip out on American courts and nothing should be done against that, but an American damned well better respect the European courts and if they try to skip out then it's an outrage.

    Just checking to see if your opinion was just more of your anti-American tripe. Seems that way.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

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    I am a Euro Lefty now, what's that on the Joe McCarthy Communist Scale.

    I hardly think being critical of an extradition treaty between the US and UK is grounds to call me Anti-American, and as fir the Treaty it was signed by New Labour PM Tony Blair in 2003, with the right and indeed more right wing press being very critical of the treaty. Or do you consider the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph too left wing and liberal for your taste.
    I can tell you exactly what Euro-Lefties are. They are mostly frustrated pretend intellectuals who still mourn for the good old days of the Soviet Union and just cannot understand how the U.S. triumphed and the Socialist Ideal died a pathetic death, only to be replaced by a despicable oligarchy that makes war on homosexuals and rock and roll singers. Never mind, you always have The Guardian.

    The Guardian has turned itself into a hub of unrestrained anti-Americanism - The Commentator
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I can tell you exactly what Euro-Lefties are. They are mostly frustrated pretend intellectuals who still mourn for the good old days of the Soviet Union and just cannot understand how the U.S. triumphed and the Socialist Ideal died a pathetic death, only to be replaced by a despicable oligarchy that makes war on homosexuals and rock and roll singers. Never mind, you always have The Guardian.

    The Guardian has turned itself into a hub of unrestrained anti-Americanism - The Commentator
    If you look at the thread though the quotes are from CNN, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times and the Daily Mail, there is only perhaps one aricle from the Guardian. So I suggest you double check your facts.

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Because that's the treaty both sides signed up to. If you are perturbed by systemic inadequacies (and frankly, which legal system isn't rife with inadequacies?) then you need to renegotiate your treaty, not behave as if it is only applicable when you decide you want it to be.
    You sure seem to be talking about a treat you apparently haven't read. I didn't know so I looked it up.

    From the text of the treaty between the US and Italy: "Article 6, provides that extradition shall be denied when the person sought has been in jeopardy in the requested State for the same offense."

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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Do you ever post links from any source praising the United States - or at least being neutral?

    No, I thought not. You have a position and then seek desperately to find anything to support it.
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    Re: Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And then there's than nonsense about two languages having to be used, even when unnecessary. And the 'Canadian Content' requirement for your entertainment media. There's probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
    I don't see how these and what you call the "welfare state" are in anyway infringements on individual freedom. In fact, all of these were brought into being by democratically elected governments, freely chosen by the people who cared to exercise their individual freedom to vote. I don't speak or read French to any great extent, but I'm not less free and in fact I haven't spoken French since highschool.

    You don't think the US has a pretty solid "welfare state" too? Think again. As for "socialized medicine", freely chosen by the electorate decades ago and individuals also purchase their own supplemental insurance coverage in order to freely choose additional services and coverages they'd like.

    Gay people can get married anywhere in Canada - how about the US? Gay people can adopt children anywhere in Canada - how about the US? A pregnant woman can get an abortion anywhere in Canada, without government interference or mandated laws or guidelines infringing on her choice, provided she and her doctor believe it's the right medical course of action for her - how about the US? I'm free to walk the street, even at night, in the largest city in Canada, the fourth largest city in North America, without fear - how about the US?

    I could go on, but the point I'm simply trying to make is that individual freedom comes in many forms and covers many issues - and the US doesn't have a monopoly on freedom, by any means, even if America is the greatest nation on the planet.
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