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Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

You need to accept how foolish supporting the worst President in American history makes you look.

Like most Americans I am a progressive statist. Progress has been extremely rewarding to me for 7 decades and I want my grandchildren to say the same when they're my age. What you want is no concern at all to me. What our democracy wants is paramount in my interest.

So you can rant and whine to your heart's content about what you're entitled to and my ears are deaf.

I simply don't care about you.

I don't support Obama, I saw his resume in 2008 and his results in 2012 and couldn't support either. You claim to speak for Americans and yet today Obama has 43%JAR so who are you speaking for, that 43%

I don't rant and rave, I give sources and back it up with personal experiences. I am entitled to nothing neither are you other than equal opportunity. If you allow your grandkids to adopt your current ideology then you better be prepared to take care of them for life for they will never learn to take care of themselves.

There isn't one Obama economic result better than Bush's average results which include inheriting the Clinton recession, having 9/11, and having two wars authorized by the Democrats. Bush had a Republican Congress in 2003-2006 and the economic results reported at the sites i gave you tell them all. Too bad you prefer buying rhetoric instead of actually verifying it by checking out the results.
 
I retired 9 years ago and find it amazing that someone your age still has the same feelings as far too many young people today. What you don't seem to understand that in the budget of the United States approximately 250 billion dollars is being paid yearly to debt service on the debt and that goes to foreign countries or people who hold the bonds sold to pay for that debt. That is the 4th largest budget item we have and money that isn't going to the people truly in need.

Results matter for it results that measure performance. If you are as old as you say you were judged based upon performance measured by results. You don't see a disconnect in your attitude now?

Why do you care what business pays its workers, its executives, and pays in taxes? How does that affect you or your grandkids? Your attitude makes no sense especially when we have a 3.6 trillion dollar federal govt. that you want to ignore at least with Obama in the WH.

What you and far too many are overlooking is the greed of bureaucrats and how that greed is destroying individual wealth opportunities and your freedoms. I have always said it is easier to think with your heart instead of your brain and that is what you are doing here.

This country was built on the very principles Obama is destroying, incentive and individual wealth creation. It was build on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Obama is a community agitator who never ran anything in his life and we are paying the price for that ignorance and arrogance now. The reward should be the ability to make legally as much as one can or chooses to make.

If you became rich as you claim you did most of it on your own. Why would you allow a President to destroy the very opportunities you had then?

Standard Fox News paid political propaganda.

What Obama is doing is keeping people that business and Bush laid off in exchange for massive bonuses, whole until business liberals focused on growth replace business conservatives focused on big bonuses through cost cutting.

More fix broken Bush policies required of Obama.

When the country rewards by its tax system income from having wealth over income from creating wealth, action is required.

With Congress on strike only Obama is in the business of governance.

I hope that he does what he has to do.
 
Standard Fox News paid political propaganda.

What Obama is doing is keeping people that business and Bush laid off in exchange for massive bonuses, whole until business liberals focused on growth replace business conservatives focused on big bonuses through cost cutting.

More fix broken Bush policies required of Obama.

When the country rewards by its tax system income from having wealth over income from creating wealth, action is required.

With Congress on strike only Obama is in the business of governance.

I hope that he does what he has to do.

Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 so please tell me how total control of Congress by the Democrats allowed Bush to do what you claim he did?

When confused by data you revert to blaming it on Fox

Obama has been in office 5 years and there isn't one economic result Obama has that is better than Bush's yet it is Bush who you levy charges against. This is what happens when you buy rhetoric and never verify what you are told.

Keep buying the Obama and left wing rhetoric and see how far that gets your grandkids. I prefer the Reagan and Bush economies to anything I have seen from today's left

You really seem to have a distorted view as to the role of the govt. which is typical of what I see from liberals, "I have mine therefore I need to destroy the system which allowed me to generate what I have so no one else can do it"
 
PMZ,

What you've stated as fact in your last couple of post in reply to Conservative's anti-Obama/pro-capitalists rants is EXACTLY what many of us have been saving for quite some time now. I'm glad someone of wealth has finally begun to echo the concerns many of us "commoners" among the labor force have been saying for years.You've essentially echoed what the President said in his SOTU address.

(paraphrasing) a man who works 40 hours a week should reasonable assume he stands a chance to get ahead.

There are millions of hard working Americans like myself who do the right thing everyday. We go to our full time job, put in an honest day's work, pay our bills and our taxes while trying to live within our means, and are positive members of society. But with each passing day WE are finding it increasingly difficult to stay ahead.

So many people who think as Conservative does refuse to see how economic policies of the past first initiated during the Reagan-era and accelerated during the GWB-era may be helping those of great wealth like yourself, but they're hurting those in the middle especially those in the lower-middle class (incomes below $60k/annual). What that means to them is even IF you do as your parents did/are doing - go to college, find a job, work hard - you still may not make it because few parents of college students today OR the students themselves are able to afford a quality college education out of their own pocket due in large part to the wide gap in income inequality. It's crazy to think that foreign-born students can come to the United States and have most his/her college education paid for by the government, but a child born in this courty but comes from modest means has to take out 10's of thousands of dollars in student loan debt just have a chance. Yet there are folks out there who complain about the government issuing Pell grants to its own citizens.

Craziness!

Or complaining about the poor not paying any taxes.

Craziness!

Or the rich having to pay a marginal tax rate at or above (16%) their employees.

Craziness!

I don't begrudge the rich. Not at all. I applaud anyone who had an idea for a product or service, worked hard to create it, perfected it, took their idea to the marketplace, promote it and made millions from it. Not problems by me whatsoever. But if you made your millions mainly from investments, private equity or by taking advantage of the tax code, I do have problem with that because such tax rules where bought and paid for through crony capitalism over the past three decades specifically for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to stand pat in mediocrity.

So, again I applaud you for chiming in with your honesty.

(Oh, Conservative, BTW you're still on my ignore list. So, unless someone quotes you I have no idea what you're talking about... not that I really care.)
 
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PMZ,

What you've stated as fact in your last couple of post in reply to Conservative's anti-Obama/pro-capitalists rants is EXACTLY what many of us have been saving for quite some time now. I'm glad someone of wealth has finally begun to echo the concerns many of us "commoners" among the labor force have been saying for years.You've essentially echoed what the President said in his SOTU address.



There are millions of hard working Americans like myself who do the right thing everyday. We go to our full time job, put in an honest day's work, pay our bills and our taxes while trying to live within our means, and are positive members of society. But with each passing day WE are finding it increasingly difficult to stay ahead.

So many people who think as Conservative does refuse to see how economic policies of the past first initiated during the Reagan-era and accelerated during the GWB-era may be helping those of great wealth like yourself, but they're hurting those in the middle especially those in the lower-middle class (incomes below $60k/annual). What that means to them is even IF you do as your parents did/are doing - go to college, find a job, work hard - you still may not make because few college parents of college students today OR the students themselves are able to afford a quality college education out of their own pocket due in large part to the wide gap in income inequality. It's crazy to think that foreign-born student can come to the United States and have most his/her college education paid for by the government but a child born in this courty but comes from modest means has to take out 10's of thousands of dollars in student loan debt just have a chance. Yet there are folks out there who complain about the government issuing Pell grants to its own citizens.

Craziness!

Or complaining about the poor not paying any taxes.

Craziness!

Or the rich having to pay a marginal tax rate at or above (16%) their employees.

Craziness!

I don't begrudge the rich. Not at all. I applaud anyone who had an idea for a product or service, took it to the marketplace, worked hard to create it, perfect it and promote it and made millions from it. Not problems by me whatsoever. But if you made your millions mainly from investments, private equity or primarily by taking advantage of the tax code, I do have problem with that because such tax rules where bought and paid for through crony capitalism over the past three decades specifically for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to stand pat in mediocrity.

So, again I applaud you for chiming in with your honesty.

Actually craziness are people who think that a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. has no impact on the cost of living of Americans working in this country,

Craziness are people who ignore the greed of the federal bureaucrats and their attempts to create equal outcome all because of personal jealousy.

Craziness are people who believe raising the taxes on the top 2% is going to make a hill of beans difference when it comes to the deficit and debt.

Craziness is ignoring the 250 billion debt service being paid annually to foreign countries and bond holders yet never getting to those people liberals believe they want to help.

Craziness is believing raising the marginal tax rates creates the same economic activity and incentive as lower taxes and lower rates.

Craziness is believing that spending in the name of compassion generates compassionate results meaning less dependence on the Federal Govt.

Craziness are people with good hearts being brainwashed into believing liberal rhetoric and ignoring liberal results.
 
Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 so please tell me how total control of Congress by the Democrats allowed Bush to do what you claim he did?

When confused by data you revert to blaming it on Fox

Obama has been in office 5 years and there isn't one economic result Obama has that is better than Bush's yet it is Bush who you levy charges against. This is what happens when you buy rhetoric and never verify what you are told.

Keep buying the Obama and left wing rhetoric and see how far that gets your grandkids. I prefer the Reagan and Bush economies to anything I have seen from today's left

You really seem to have a distorted view as to the role of the govt. which is typical of what I see from liberals, "I have mine therefore I need to destroy the system which allowed me to generate what I have so no one else can do it"

Clearly conservatives live comfortably without accountability and personal responsibility. There's is a simple, simple world. Good comes from Republicans, always, bad from Democrats, always. Sometimes it requires screwy accounting to make that come true, but if you follow the instructions issued on conservative evangelical media, you can always find a way.

It's the way of extremism. No thought required. Follow the leader.

The book 1984 was prescient. The Ministryof Truth is now conservative evangelical media. The place where truth goes to die to be replaced by right wing extremism.

Always.
 
Clearly conservatives live comfortably without accountability and personal responsibility. There's is a simple, simple world. Good comes from Republicans, always, bad from Democrats, always. Sometimes it requires screwy accounting to make that come true, but if you follow the instructions issued on conservative evangelical media, you can always find a way.

It's the way of extremism. No thought required. Follow the leader.

The book 1984 was prescient. The Ministryof Truth is now conservative evangelical media. The place where truth goes to die to be replaced by right wing extremism.

Always.

You have yet to respond to one piece of data I have provided, whether it be the 17.3 trillion dollar debt, the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, Obamacare, the failed stimulus, the 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal, the stagnant GDP yet you want to talk about accountability for conservatives? When are liberals ever going to be held accountable for the actual results generated rather than blaming someone else including Fox News?

I grew up a Democrat, I was a JFK Democrat and if you are who you say you are you understand the JFK economic policy which is far different than the Democrat Policy today. Results matter even in today's world, you ignore the results and like Obama because he tells you what you want to hear, results don't matter.

There is no justification to continue to support Obama for results matter except apparently in your world. You want to give Obama credit for exactly what? The economic numbers we have today aren't that great and he had 5 years. Apparently Obama is the only President to have an opposition party in his way. Just goes to show how poor his leadership skills are. I employed over 1200 people and always sought consensus on tough decisions. When has Obama done that. It is his authority to call Congressional leaders to the WH, lock them in a room, and solve the problems facing this country. Obama chooses to run from the problems and blame everyone else but his poor or non existent leadership skills.
 
You have yet to respond to one piece of data I have provided, whether it be the 17.3 trillion dollar debt, the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, Obamacare, the failed stimulus, the 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal, the stagnant GDP yet you want to talk about accountability for conservatives? When are liberals ever going to be held accountable for the actual results generated rather than blaming someone else including Fox News?

I grew up a Democrat, I was a JFK Democrat and if you are who you say you are you understand the JFK economic policy which is far different than the Democrat Policy today. Results matter even in today's world, you ignore the results and like Obama because he tells you what you want to hear, results don't matter.

There is no justification to continue to support Obama for results matter except apparently in your world. You want to give Obama credit for exactly what? The economic numbers we have today aren't that great and he had 5 years. Apparently Obama is the only President to have an opposition party in his way. Just goes to show how poor his leadership skills are. I employed over 1200 people and always sought consensus on tough decisions. When has Obama done that. It is his authority to call Congressional leaders to the WH, lock them in a room, and solve the problems facing this country. Obama chooses to run from the problems and blame everyone else but his poor or non existent leadership skills.

Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
 
Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.

As has been shown here over and over again, you and your other liberal friends have a very selective memory and actually no clue as to what Bush did and didn't do as well as who helped him.
Obama and liberalism has really used you and people like you because that is what you want to believe. The media destroyed Bush and brainwashed a lot of people. The guy to this day is a class act something Obama will never be.

What you want to believe is that Bush with a Democrat Controlled Congress that rejected his legislation and budget created the 2009 disaster and that simply defies logic and common sense.
 
And exactly what positive change has Obama implemented? Over 250 billion a year in debt service? A dependent class? high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers? demonizing individual wealth creation? Massive expansion of the Federal Govt. and destruction of state and local governments? The Federal Govt. implementing personal choice social issues?

Tell me how any rich person made you poorer or prevented you from becoming rich?

Can you link specific acts on Obama's part to these outcomes?
 
As has been shown here over and over again, you and your other liberal friends have a very selective memory and actually no clue as to what Bush did and didn't do as well as who helped him.
Obama and liberalism has really used you and people like you because that is what you want to believe. The media destroyed Bush and brainwashed a lot of people. The guy to this day is a class act something Obama will never be.

What you want to believe is that Bush with a Democrat Controlled Congress that rejected his legislation and budget created the 2009 disaster and that simply defies logic and common sense.

quit running from his question
please answer it instead
with specificity where possible

now here is the question once again:
Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
 
Can you link specific acts on Obama's part to these outcomes?

I have over and over again, posting spreadsheet after spreadsheet all a waste of time because brainwashed individuals don't want to be confused with data and fact.

Treasury data shows the yearly debt service on the debt. Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service making it the fourth highest budget item and it does nothing to help anyone

BLS.gov

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
Labor force status: Unemployed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2000 to 2010
Unemployed
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544 11299
2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227 15124
2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104 14393
2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323 13097
2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042 12206
2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777 11514 11316 11255 11272 10907

Discouraged workers
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988 866 852 815 762


Unemployed + Discouraged
2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042
2012 13807 13812 13551 13486 13525 13522 13597 13327 12884 13061 13021 13274
2013 13136 12917 12545 12577 12540 12804 12502 12182 12107 12087 11669 0
 
and you still have not answered the question
here it is once again:

I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't
 
Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.

That was an impressive display of patience and self control.
 
and you still have not answered the question
here it is once again:

I cannot believe people like you continue to believe as you do. What happens to GDP if the Govt. spends 7 trillion dollars adding to the debt? What happens to the unemployment rate if millions drop out of the labor force? What happens to the private sector if you force more regulations and higher taxes? Apparently many here have zero leadership skills as well as understanding of basic economics
 
That was an impressive display of patience and self control.


The patience is all mine, notice the unemployment/discouraged worker chart. Notice the GDP from bea.gov. Notice the debt service from the Treasury site. You want badly to believe liberalism generated positive results in spite of what the non partisan data shows. Apparently that data which liberals touted during the Clinton years isn't credible now that it doesn't show what they want it to show
 
The patience is all mine, notice the unemployment/discouraged worker chart. Notice the GDP from bea.gov. Notice the debt service from the Treasury site. You want badly to believe liberalism generated positive results in spite of what the non partisan data shows. Apparently that data which liberals touted during the Clinton years isn't credible now that it doesn't show what they want it to show

Your responses are muddied by emotion. If want to be more successful in getting through to all the boneheads who don't think like you, try not insulting them and actually answering a question.
 
Your responses are muddied by emotion. If want to be more successful in getting through to all the boneheads who don't think like you, try not insulting them and actually answering a question.

My answer is in the numbers, yours is riddled with emotion that will not allow you to even view the numbers. By all measurement Obama's economic performance is a disaster as the numbers show

People are judged by numbers and if you worked 5 years and generated Obama's numbers you would be fired. Learn to read the numbers and stop buying the rhetoric

GDP 2000 10.0 trillion 2008 14.4 trillion

GDP 2008 14.4 trillion 2013 16.9

Debt 2008 10.6 trillion on a 14.4 trillion GDP, Debt today 17.3 trillion on a 16.9 trillion GDP

Employment prior to the recession 146.6 million, Employment today 144.2 million

I could beat you up all day with the numbers but they would just go right over your head. Numbers don't matter because you buy the Obama rhetoric
 
I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't


name what was better in 2009 than now, which was impacted by Obama
in short, quit avoiding the question
 
I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't

The idea that the stimulus "didn't work" is patently false. It was intended to prevent the economy from going off a cliff.
 
name what was better in 2009 than now, which was impacted by Obama
in short, quit avoiding the question

Not surprising at all since you want to look at today vs when the debt was 7 trillion less, TARP has just been implemented, consumer confidence wasn't as high. If you spend enough money, brainwash enough people, get enough to drop out of the labor force then no question about it, we are living in utopia today vs 2009. Both you and I know better.
 
Not surprising at all since you want to look at today vs when the debt was 7 trillion less, TARP has just been implemented, consumer confidence wasn't as high. If you spend enough money, brainwash enough people, get enough to drop out of the labor force then no question about it, we are living in utopia today vs 2009. Both you and I know better.

It surprises me not at all that you are perfectly willing to simply gloss over exactly how bad the economy took a colossal dump in 2008.
 
The idea that the stimulus "didn't work" is patently false. It was intended to prevent the economy from going off a cliff.

So we were told and that is exactly what you wanted to hear. How did the 2007-09 recession affect you and your family. We didn't go off the cliff, TARP prevented that. Obama lost an opportunity to make a difference and rather than focus on job growth, economic growth, deficit reduction he piled on, blamed Bush and his little minions are marching in lock step. Amazing how you and others have a very selective memory and understanding. You people have such low standards when it comes to leadership and results
 
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