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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    I guess you didnt read the WHOLE report.

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    I read it, which is why I applaud efforts being made to reign in spending, generate revenue and pay down the debt which in the long run should reduce the deficit assuming Congress continues to do its job.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I guess you didnt read the WHOLE report.

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    I think what people also do not understand is that there are two parts to the debt that we pay debt service on, public debt and intergovt. holdings which are the SS/Medicare/Govt. obligation accounts that for some reason were put on budget and spent

    Further what people also fail to recognize is that deficits continue to grow the debt and this Administration has done nothing to put the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time paying FIT to help fund that debt service and lower it.

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    I think what people also do not understand is that there are two parts to the debt that we pay debt service on, public debt and intergovt. holdings which are the SS/Medicare/Govt. obligation accounts that for some reason were put on budget and spent

    Further what people also fail to recognize is that deficits continue to grow the debt and
    this Administration has done nothing to put the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time paying FIT to help fund that debt service and lower it.
    are you now blaming Obama for failing to resurrect the government jobs programs of the FDR era, such as the civilian conservation corps?
    and if not, then what are you saying Obama failed to do to create those 21 million job openings
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    are you now blaming Obama for failing to resurrect the government jobs programs of the FDR era, such as the civilian conservation corps?
    and if not, then what are you saying Obama failed to do to create those 21 million job openings
    No, not at all as that isn't the role of the govt. Obama has no concept as to how to motivate and provide incentive to the private sector to grow jobs and that is what was needed. ACA doesn't do that at all and in fact has hurt employment which is worse than is being reported due to the high number of part time employees in the labor force. Reagan unleashed the American spirit, Obama has stifled it.

    Obama and liberals believe in big govt. and big govt. spending, that is the European model. Reagan believed in the American people and the free enterprise economy. The results coming out of similar recessions are quite different

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    No, not at all as that isn't the role of the govt. Obama has no concept as to how to motivate and provide incentive to the private sector to grow jobs and that is what was needed. ACA doesn't do that at all and in fact has hurt employment which is worse than is being reported due to the high number of part time employees in the labor force. Reagan unleashed the American spirit, Obama has stifled it.

    Obama and liberals believe in big govt. and big govt. spending, that is the European model. Reagan believed in the American people and the free enterprise economy. The results coming out of similar recessions are quite different
    you blame Obama for the private sectors' failure to create 21 million jobs
    presented like a partisan ... and without any suggestions how Obama should have assisted the private sector to accomplish that feat, to recover from the bush great recession
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you blame Obama for the private sectors' failure to create 21 million jobs
    presented like a partisan ... and without any suggestions how Obama should have assisted the private sector to accomplish that feat, to recover from the bush great recession
    You apparently know so little about the private sector. It cannot print money, it has to earn it. driving up costs has to be paid for ACA drives up costs, higher taxes drive up costs, more regulations drive up costs, part time employees lower costs and that is what is happening today. Obama and apparently you have zero understanding of business expenses and planning. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and the new normal is going to remain, high unemployment, high debt, low economic growth. A true liberal utopia??

    Instead of growing the size of govt through social engineering he should have cut the size of govt. and returned the power to the states

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    You apparently know so little about the private sector. It cannot print money, it has to earn it. driving up costs has to be paid for ACA drives up costs, higher taxes drive up costs, more regulations drive up costs, part time employees lower costs and that is what is happening today. Obama and apparently you have zero understanding of business expenses and planning. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and the new normal is going to remain, high unemployment, high debt, low economic growth. A true liberal utopia??
    and still, you are unable to offer ANY ideas how Obama could have facilitated the creation of 21 million private sector jobs you insist he was responsible for having not created

    Instead of growing the size of govt through social engineering he should have cut the size of govt. and returned the power to the states
    or, to prevent the deficit from growing, maybe the taxes paid by the most affluent, those who have realized almost all of the income growth, should be raised to pay for the spending incurred by the congress ... NOT the president
    but then only someone who has an understanding of economics would realize that there are multiple options available ... options you were unable to identify for us despite your "keen" partisan insights into things economic
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    justabubba;1062913014]and still, you are unable to offer ANY ideas how Obama could have facilitated the creation of 21 million private sector jobs you insist he was responsible for having not created
    Name for us the pro private sector economic policy implemented by Obama? How did Reagan do it? Compare the two leadership styles, Reagan who was a leader and Obama is a community agitator


    or, to prevent the deficit from growing, maybe the taxes paid by the most affluent, those who have realized almost all of the income growth, should be raised to pay for the spending incurred by the congress ... NOT the president
    but then only someone who has an understanding of economics would realize that there are multiple options available ... options you were unable to identify for us despite your "keen" partisan insights into things economic
    When you take money out of the pockets of individual economic activity is influenced and it is economic activity that generates the most positive cash. Reagan cut taxes and increased FIT revenue 60% because of the 17 million jobs created. Think raising taxes would have created those jobs and that revenue?

    You and your ilk have no idea how business works or the costs of running a business. You buy what you are told. Why don't you take the opportunities available to you in this country, start your own business, pay your workers what you think is fair, pay the taxes, federal, state, and local, adhere to the regulations and see how that works out for you?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    Name for us the pro private sector economic policy implemented by Obama? How did Reagan do it? Compare the two leadership styles, Reagan who was a leader and Obama is a community agitator
    that is the progressive complaint about Obama. in most economic matters he has acted like a republican. he did not implement a federal jobs program to stimulate a demand economy
    he retained the reagan era small business loan guarantee program which requires all small business loans receiving federal help to first be processed by the banks. banks which are not making loans to any but the most sterling creditors ... and those are seldom start ups. before reagan, the federal government made the loans directly to the small businesses who could not get the bank loans because their credit restrictions were too restrictive
    fortunately, Obama has not applied the republican 'starve the beast' policy to spend revenues on programs like star wars so that money was not available to assist our citizens who needed mental health care. instead reagan turned those folks, whose mental health needs were beyond their own control, out into the streets, while spending lavishly on star wars programs that did nothing but line the pockets of multinational corporations
    fortunately, Obama did not apply the reagan policy of unaffordable prime interest rates, which during the reagan era exceeded 21%, causing borrowing to be prohibitively expensive, such that only those who were rich, with substantial cash reserves, possessed the ability to grow their businesses. and we have seen since then that it is the haves who have taken almost all of the wealth from the economy since then, despite worker productivity doubling
    reagan helped wall street. he ****ted on main street

    When you take money out of the pockets of individual economic activity is influenced and it is economic activity that generates the most positive cash. Reagan cut taxes and increased FIT revenue 60% because of the 17 million jobs created. Think raising taxes would have created those jobs and that revenue?
    uncle ronnie cut taxes for the rich. for the rest of us he imposed 'user fees' when we needed government services. that is when we had to start paying to enter federal parks. the wage earner subsidzed the cost of government while the rich paid less

    You and your ilk have no idea how business works or the costs of running a business.
    laughable that you would make that claim against someone who spent his career growing small businesses

    You buy what you are told. Why don't you take the opportunities available to you in this country, start your own business, pay your workers what you think is fair, pay the taxes, federal, state, and local, adhere to the regulations and see how that works out for you?
    we have the best government money can buy. but there are many of you who are too blind to see that reality
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    justabubba;1062913211]that is the progressive complaint about Obama. in most economic matters he has acted like a republican. he did not implement a federal jobs program to stimulate a demand economy
    No true conservative Republican would ever implement a federal jobs program, Reagan didn't do it, he stimulated the private sector with tax and regulation cuts.

    he retained the reagan era small business loan guarantee program which requires all small business loans receiving federal help to first be processed by the banks. banks which are not making loans to any but the most sterling creditors ... and those are seldom start ups. before reagan, the federal government made the loans directly to the small businesses who could not get the bank loans because their credit restrictions were too restrictive
    Which he offset with things like ACA that drives up costs. Ask the people of West Virginia how they feel about Obama and his EPA. How did the state of South Carolina feel about the NLRB? Loans have to be paid back and if you have higher operating costs it is harder to pay back those loans. I worked a lot with the SBA and other govt. agencies that made loans to business. That is not a pro growth economic policy when it is offset by higher operating costs.

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    ortunately, Obama has not applied the republican 'starve the beast' policy to spend revenues on programs like star wars so that money was not available to assist our citizens who needed mental health care. instead reagan turned those folks, whose mental health needs were beyond their own control, out into the streets, while spending lavishly on star wars programs that did nothing but line the pockets of multinational corporations
    Wow, star wars brought the Soviet Union to its knees and left a peace dividend. Why don't you distinguish for us the difference between the Federal, State, and local governments in your world and whose responsibility it is to help those people. As stated you believe in a large central govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that continues to grow as does the poverty level and people dependent on the federal govt. Isn't it time for positive results and shrinking the federal govt. since they are a total and complete failure?

    fortunately, Obama did not apply the reagan policy of unaffordable prime interest rates, which during the reagan era exceeded 21%, causing borrowing to be prohibitively expensive, such that only those who were rich, with substantial cash reserves, possessed the ability to grow their businesses. and we have seen since then that it is the haves who have taken almost all of the wealth from the economy since then, despite worker productivity doubling
    reagan helped wall street. he ****ted on main street
    What Obama and Bush did was reward bad behavior, nothing has changed, interest rates remain low but the demand for loans is miniscule because high operating expenses.. Obama has no concept of what it takes to run a business, the operating expenses of running a business, where that money comes from,the components of GDP and minions like you buy the rhetoric and continue to support him. When did you develop such low standards for achievement and results?


    uncle ronnie cut taxes for the rich. for the rest of us he imposed 'user fees' when we needed government services. that is when we had to start paying to enter federal parks. the wage earner subsidzed the cost of government while the rich paid less
    "Uncle" Ronnie cut ALL Personal income taxes not just the rich and 17 million jobs were created. You have a distorted view of the 80's which gets fuzzier the further from the 80's we get. GDP doubled, FIT revenue grew 60% and it led to the greatest era of economic expansion in history. You can try to rewrite history but the facts simply destroy you


    laughable that you would make that claim against someone who spent his career growing small businesses


    we have the best government money can buy. but there are many of you who are too blind to see that reality
    If you truly spent your career growing small businesses then you would understand the effects of less spendable income resulting from higher taxes.. I doubt seriously you grew anything. Figure out the four components of GDP and get back to us and what those components contribute in percentage. Then and only then will you realize how screwed up the liberal economic policies are

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