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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    It's also not the role of government to sink companies as Bush did.

    BTW, why do wing nuts believe that God gave only them insight into what government, or any other organization, is "supposed" to do?
    Spoken like a true big govt. liberal who has no problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. yet has the gall to call conservatives greedy. We have a govt. created with three equal branches not an imperial Presidency. What gave conservatives the insight into what govt. is supposed to do is basic history and civics, something you ought to learn. Our Founders believed in a limited central govt. with power closest to the people.

    GW Bush didn't sink companies but it does appear that brainwashing works. You buy what you are told all nothing more than a diversion from the growth and expansion of the Federal Govt. by liberals.

    Now tell me what gives liberals the right to pick winners and losers and tell a private business what to pay its workers?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Now, Iím hoping that Congress goes along with this, but Iím not going to wait for Congress. I could do more with Congress, but Iím not going to not do anything without Congress, not when itís about the basic security and dignity of American workers.
    Obama Takes Gibberish to a Whole New Level: I'm Not Going to Not Do Anything without Congress | Independent Journal Review
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true big govt. liberal who has no problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. yet has the gall to call conservatives greedy. We have a govt. created with three equal branches not an imperial Presidency. What gave conservatives the insight into what govt. is supposed to do is basic history and civics, something you ought to learn. Our Founders believed in a limited central govt. with power closest to the people.

    GW Bush didn't sink companies but it does appear that brainwashing works. You buy what you are told all nothing more than a diversion from the growth and expansion of the Federal Govt. by liberals.

    Now tell me what gives liberals the right to pick winners and losers and tell a private business what to pay its workers?
    Consider that in government, just as in business, the expense and revenue sides are entirely different ball games, that must come together in the end only.

    In government the expense ledger is a prioritized list of goods and services to and for citizens, considering both the long and short term, and the resources required. Time and circumstances constantly change the context for the services, so frequent re-evaluation is required.

    Certainly infrastructure goods are long term investments for citizens.

    In a perfect world, the list of potential goods and services would be infinitely long, requiring a cut off point to be determined by revenue and cost/benefit.

    The revenue sides must consider potential sources, and the value received by citizens compared to other uses for the resources consumed.

    When all of the planning is done, the expense list gets truncated at the "affordable" point.

    Of course another consideration is whether to finance from only currently available sources or take on debt. If there are long term beneficial "projects", below the line of what is "affordable", but more valuable than the cost of borrowing, not borrowing would be fiscally irresponsible.

    Of course the vast majority of possible goods and services to/for citizens do not benefit everyone equally.

    Thus politics. Refereeing everyone's special interests and determining the "greater" good.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Consider that in government, just as in business, the expense and revenue sides are entirely different ball games, that must come together in the end only.

    In government the expense ledger is a prioritized list of goods and services to and for citizens, considering both the long and short term, and the resources required. Time and circumstances constantly change the context for the services, so frequent re-evaluation is required.

    Certainly infrastructure goods are long term investments for citizens.

    In a perfect world, the list of potential goods and services would be infinitely long, requiring a cut off point to be determined by revenue and cost/benefit.

    The revenue sides must consider potential sources, and the value received by citizens compared to other uses for the resources consumed.

    When all of the planning is done, the expense list gets truncated at the "affordable" point.

    Of course another consideration is whether to finance from only currently available sources or take on debt. If there are long term beneficial "projects", below the line of what is "affordable", but more valuable than the cost of borrowing, not borrowing would be fiscally irresponsible.

    Of course the vast majority of possible goods and services to/for citizens do not benefit everyone equally.

    Thus politics. Refereeing everyone's special interests and determining the "greater" good.
    Doesn't appear that you have any concept as to the role of the Federal Govt. which provide security for its people and PROMOTE, not provide for domestic welfare. IF there isn't the revenue necessary for social engineering then don't do it or put it where it belongs at the state and local levels. That is the role of the state and local govt. not a bureaucrat in D.C. who you seem to believe understands your local community problems better than anyone else.

    The greater good is determined by the people at the state and local level, not the Federal Govt. Obamacare is an example of overreach. Uninsured expenses are borne by the people of the state and local communities not the Federal taxpayer. It isn't the role of the Federal Taxpayer to fund social programs

    This country was built on equal opportunity, not equal outcome. It was built on a small central govt, not a massive 3.77 trillion dollar one. It wasn't built to provide national health insurance for its people nor for saving people for their own poor choices. You made a mistake growing up, who bailed you out, a federal bureaucrat?

    We live in a country that was built on risk and opportunity. Liberals now want to remove the risk and create equal outcome. All the while the printing presses keep running and people like you give the govt. a pass.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Au contraire... I'm not sure what country you have been living in or what you have been studying, but the Imperial Presidency has been the dominate view of the US Presidency for the past 100 years. Presidential power has been growing and growing through FDR, Nixon, Reagan and Bush, Jr.

    The Imperial Presidency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://www.bu.edu/law/central/jd/org...s/MARSHALL.pdf
    The Imperial Presidency: Jr. Arthur M. Schlesinger: 9780618420018: Amazon.com: Books

    Obama actually represents a retreat from that... not of his doing, its just congress has pretty much neutralized him.

    State of the Union: platitudes of a post-imperial presidency | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | theguardian.com
    And this latest bout of power by executive order is making it worse (Bush and Obama). That's not how the founders intended it to be. That's not how the law is written. Policy is made by law, and congress holds the legislative power. Executive power is the power to execute the laws, not make them or make them up. I don't remember Bush saying 'if congress wont act, I will'. Thus Obama expressing this philosophy and then acting on it, is redefining.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doesn't appear that you have any concept as to the role of the Federal Govt. which provide security for its people and PROMOTE, not provide for domestic welfare. IF there isn't the revenue necessary for social engineering then don't do it or put it where it belongs at the state and local levels. That is the role of the state and local govt. not a bureaucrat in D.C. who you seem to believe understands your local community problems better than anyone else.

    The greater good is determined by the people at the state and local level, not the Federal Govt. Obamacare is an example of overreach. Uninsured expenses are borne by the people of the state and local communities not the Federal taxpayer. It isn't the role of the Federal Taxpayer to fund social programs

    This country was built on equal opportunity, not equal outcome. It was built on a small central govt, not a massive 3.77 trillion dollar one. It wasn't built to provide national health insurance for its people nor for saving people for their own poor choices. You made a mistake growing up, who bailed you out, a federal bureaucrat?

    We live in a country that was built on risk and opportunity. Liberals now want to remove the risk and create equal outcome. All the while the printing presses keep running and people like you give the govt. a pass.
    Is this another revelation of what God told you that you are entitled to?

    He lied. You are entitled to nothing.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And this latest bout of power by executive order is making it worse (Bush and Obama). That's not how the founders intended it to be. That's not how the law is written. Policy is made by law, and congress holds the legislative power. Executive power is the power to execute the laws, not make them or make them up. I don't remember Bush saying 'if congress wont act, I will'. Thus Obama expressing this philosophy and then acting on it, is redefining.
    Why do you assume that anybody, much less our President, needs lessons from you on anything?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doesn't appear that you have any concept as to the role of the Federal Govt. which provide security for its people and PROMOTE, not provide for domestic welfare.
    a bit full of yourself aren't you
    especially considering the ignorant tripe which was the remainder of your post
    so, share with us what the government is doing which is NOT found to be promoting the domestic welfare
    and i really look forward to a specific reply to that question and not another nonsensical rant

    IF there isn't the revenue necessary for social engineering then don't do it ...
    i see that you are a true neoconservative, who follows the party's 'starve the beast' philosophy: spend all the revenues so that there is nothing remaining for a social safety net
    the compassionate conservatism we have come to know and love sarcasm.gif

    ... or put it where it belongs at the state and local levels. That is the role of the state and local govt. not a bureaucrat in D.C. who you seem to believe understands your local community problems better than anyone else.
    explain for us why the social safety net needs to be constructed only at the state and local level, rather than by the federal government

    The greater good is determined by the people at the state and local level, not the Federal Govt.
    why is it that you believe those state and local officials have a better feel for the 'greater good', than a federal official

    Obamacare is an example of overreach. Uninsured expenses are borne by the people of the state and local communities not the Federal taxpayer.
    why? i live on the border of two states. if the adjoining state offers more than my state of residence and i seek local medical assistance from the adjoining state, aren't i then exploiting the taxpayers of that adjoining state?

    It isn't the role of the Federal Taxpayer to fund social programs
    not even to 'promote the general welfare'? are you saying we should disregard the preamble?

    This country was built on equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
    who do you see posting an expectation for an equal outcome for all ... if you are unable to show us such posts then you are crafting a bogus issue to argue against

    It was built on a small central govt, not a massive 3.77 trillion dollar one.
    says what? any portion of that budget appropriated in an unConstitutional manner? if so, show us. if you cannot show us, then you are making **** up again to have something to rant about

    It wasn't built to provide national health insurance for its people ...
    you do know that the supreme court of the United States of America has made a ruling that says your argument is full of crap ... don't you?

    ... nor for saving people for their own poor choices.
    what poor choices is the federal government saving people from?
    please list them and the people who are so unConstitutionally assisted; please be specific [NO rants]

    You made a mistake growing up, who bailed you out, a federal bureaucrat?
    yep. but then my father was a federal employee. does that mean he did something wrong?
    if you were trying to make a point with that statement, you failed. but you are more than welcome to try again to explain what you wanted us to read and understand

    We live in a country that was built on risk and opportunity.
    would you please point to a country, any country, where its people do NOT live in an environment where there is risk and opportunity

    Liberals now want to remove the risk and create equal outcome.
    again, you are just making stuff up. i see no one arguing for equal outcomes, instead of equal opportunities. but if i missed such a post - or posts - please point them out and i will join your rant against any citizen who expresses an expectation that the federal government should assure equal outcomes for all

    All the while the printing presses keep running and people like you give the govt. a pass.
    i did not receive such a pass
    where does one go to get one
    please share the details
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    justabubba;1062873544]a bit full of yourself aren't you
    especially considering the ignorant tripe which was the remainder of your post
    so, share with us what the government is doing which is NOT found to be promoting the domestic welfare
    and i really look forward to a specific reply to that question and not another nonsensical rant
    Obamacare, the stimulus, green energy, taking over GM/Chrysler, class warfare


    i see that you are a true neoconservative, who follows the party's 'starve the beast' philosophy: spend all the revenues so that there is nothing remaining for a social safety net
    the compassionate conservatism we have come to know and love sarcasm.gif
    Social safety net is the responsibility of the people who foot the bills, the state and local government. This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor and that neighbor isn't a federal bureaucrat

    evel, rather than by the federal government

    Closer to the people where it belongs

    why is it that you believe those state and local officials have a better feel for the 'greater good', than a federal official
    Closer to the people where it belongs and more in tune with the will of the citizens and electorate. Only a true big govt liberal believes a federal bureaucrat is better at solving state and local problems. TX is proving you and your ilk wrong


    why? i live on the border of two states. if the adjoining state offers more than my state of residence and i seek local medical assistance from the adjoining state, aren't i then exploiting the taxpayers of that adjoining state?
    Your state has the same opportunity as any others. If your state screws up quit looking to the Federal govt. to force the national will on the citizens


    not even to 'promote the general welfare'? are you saying we should disregard the preamble?
    Promote to you seems to mean provide and that is how we got a 3.77 trillion dollar govt


    who do you see posting an expectation for an equal outcome for all ... if you are unable to show us such posts then you are crafting a bogus issue to argue against
    Do you pay any real attention to Obama speeches? It never is someone else's responsibility for their own failures. millions of long term unemployed says it all


    says what? any portion of that budget appropriated in an unConstitutional manner? if so, show us. if you cannot show us, then you are making **** up again to have something to rant about
    Who said it was appropriated in an unconstitutional manner. Now you are making things up. Please explain to me why we need a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. and 50 independent states? You have no concept of what you are promoting

    you do know that the supreme court of the United States of America has made a ruling that says your argument is full of crap ... don't you?

    That is your opinion and have no concept as to the ruling of the SC

    what poor choices is the federal government saving people from?
    please list them and the people who are so unConstitutionally assisted; please be specific [NO rants]
    The right to succeed or fail, the right to choose healthcare or not, the right to earn as much as they are capable of earning and to provide for their own family vs. having the Federal bureaucrats do it. Obamacare is a failed social engineering program forced on the people the majority of who don't want it


    yep. but then my father was a federal employee. does that mean he did something wrong?
    if you were trying to make a point with that statement, you failed. but you are more than welcome to try again to explain what you wanted us to read and understand
    Nope, your father made his choice and you lived with it. Whose responsibility was it for making that choice? Equal opportunity to make that choice is what this country was built on, now all I see is jealousy from you because others have more and make more. You don't see conservatives complaining about what someone else makes or has


    would you please point to a country, any country, where its people do NOT live in an environment where there is risk and opportunity
    Socialist and communist countries, you know, the economy you are promoting for us

    again, you are just making stuff up. i see no one arguing for equal outcomes, instead of equal opportunities. but if i missed such a post - or posts - please point them out and i will join your rant against any citizen who expresses an expectation that the federal government should assure equal outcomes for all
    You have very selective reading and comprehension skills as well as a very poor understanding of civics and economics


    i did not receive such a pass
    where does one go to get one
    please share the details
    Stop blaming someone else for your poor choices and failures

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare, the stimulus, green energy, taking over GM/Chrysler, class warfare




    Social safety net is the responsibility of the people who foot the bills, the state and local government. This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor and that neighbor isn't a federal bureaucrat




    Closer to the people where it belongs



    Closer to the people where it belongs and more in tune with the will of the citizens and electorate. Only a true big govt liberal believes a federal bureaucrat is better at solving state and local problems. TX is proving you and your ilk wrong




    Your state has the same opportunity as any others. If your state screws up quit looking to the Federal govt. to force the national will on the citizens




    Promote to you seems to mean provide and that is how we got a 3.77 trillion dollar govt




    Do you pay any real attention to Obama speeches? It never is someone else's responsibility for their own failures. millions of long term unemployed says it all




    Who said it was appropriated in an unconstitutional manner. Now you are making things up. Please explain to me why we need a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. and 50 independent states? You have no concept of what you are promoting




    That is your opinion and have no concept as to the ruling of the SC



    The right to succeed or fail, the right to choose healthcare or not, the right to earn as much as they are capable of earning and to provide for their own family vs. having the Federal bureaucrats do it. Obamacare is a failed social engineering program forced on the people the majority of who don't want it




    Nope, your father made his choice and you lived with it. Whose responsibility was it for making that choice? Equal opportunity to make that choice is what this country was built on, now all I see is jealousy from you because others have more and make more. You don't see conservatives complaining about what someone else makes or has




    Socialist and communist countries, you know, the economy you are promoting for us



    You have very selective reading and comprehension skills as well as a very poor understanding of civics and economics




    Stop blaming someone else for your poor choices and failures
    Why would someone who believes as you do choose to live here? I just don't understand

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