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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    85% of the best and brightest US economists, you know, the experts, as well as the CBO said it worked. Plus, the third article I posted outlines and links 9 studies done on the subject.

    Poll Results | IGM Forum
    Congressional Budget Office defends stimulus - The Washington Post
    Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject - The Washington Post
    Economists agree: Stimulus created nearly 3 million jobs - USATODAY.com

    There is some evidence. What do you have to the contrary?
    Well there you have it, we are living in great economic times with excellent economic results. The BEA,BLS, and Treasury numbers lie. Please post for me the location that captures saved jobs? States weren't even given the opportunity to save their own state jobs but you willing give Obama credit. Such low standards you have

    The Five Biggest Failures From President Obama's Stimulus Law - US News

    How the $800B stimulus failed | New York Post

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So because the recovery has been slow, then the stimulus didn't work? Is that what you're claiming? It's hard to tell, since the first 2/3 of that post is word salad.
    What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    I find it humorous that Conservative wants to blame the "Democrat congress" for the collapse, yet exclusively blame Obama for the slow recovery.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow
    I just told you what the purpose of the stimulus was. The stimulus was a band-aid. My biggest criticism of the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What data?

    What I don't ignore is the opinion of actual economists who say that without the stimulus, the economy would have gone into full-blown depression. Stimulus is not intended to fix everything overnight. Stimulus is intended to prevent the economy from getting worse. Which, when it was implemented, it accomplished.
    The point that he is trying desperately to obscure is that there is not a national measure that is not better now than in 2009. His method is to point out that not everything is perfect and hope that nobody points out that it has never been.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I just told you what the purpose of the stimulus was. The stimulus was a band-aid. My biggest criticism of the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough.
    Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?
    Not entirely, but then again, the point of the stimulus was not to end the recession. Stimulus doesn't do that. I do not know why this is so hard for you to comprehend.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow
    I'll bet that there might be days when you wake up and wish that your politics was supportable by pure, unvarnished truth. No made up data, no misrepresented truth, no spin, no half truths, no dirty politics, just truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.

    But then again, maybe not.

    How much of our debt comes from Bush's holy wars, tax cuts, and recovery from, and revenue lost to, Bush's great recession?

    You're saying zero?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    The point that he is trying desperately to obscure is that there is not a national measure that is not better now than in 2009. His method is to point out that not everything is perfect and hope that nobody points out that it has never been.
    Do you have the same expectations and low standards when it comes to Republicans? Where were you when Bush inherited the Clinton recession and had 9/11 yet still had a 4.5 trillion increase in GDP and 9 million jobs prior to 2008? You want to judge Bush based upon 2008/2009 while ignoring the previous 7 years and then want to give Obama a pass for the past five years. You Obama supporters really just aren't worth it.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?
    What ended in June 2009 was the decline of GDP.

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