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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
    That was an impressive display of patience and self control.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you still have not answered the question
    here it is once again:
    I cannot believe people like you continue to believe as you do. What happens to GDP if the Govt. spends 7 trillion dollars adding to the debt? What happens to the unemployment rate if millions drop out of the labor force? What happens to the private sector if you force more regulations and higher taxes? Apparently many here have zero leadership skills as well as understanding of basic economics

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That was an impressive display of patience and self control.

    The patience is all mine, notice the unemployment/discouraged worker chart. Notice the GDP from bea.gov. Notice the debt service from the Treasury site. You want badly to believe liberalism generated positive results in spite of what the non partisan data shows. Apparently that data which liberals touted during the Clinton years isn't credible now that it doesn't show what they want it to show

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    The patience is all mine, notice the unemployment/discouraged worker chart. Notice the GDP from bea.gov. Notice the debt service from the Treasury site. You want badly to believe liberalism generated positive results in spite of what the non partisan data shows. Apparently that data which liberals touted during the Clinton years isn't credible now that it doesn't show what they want it to show
    Your responses are muddied by emotion. If want to be more successful in getting through to all the boneheads who don't think like you, try not insulting them and actually answering a question.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Your responses are muddied by emotion. If want to be more successful in getting through to all the boneheads who don't think like you, try not insulting them and actually answering a question.
    My answer is in the numbers, yours is riddled with emotion that will not allow you to even view the numbers. By all measurement Obama's economic performance is a disaster as the numbers show

    People are judged by numbers and if you worked 5 years and generated Obama's numbers you would be fired. Learn to read the numbers and stop buying the rhetoric

    GDP 2000 10.0 trillion 2008 14.4 trillion

    GDP 2008 14.4 trillion 2013 16.9

    Debt 2008 10.6 trillion on a 14.4 trillion GDP, Debt today 17.3 trillion on a 16.9 trillion GDP

    Employment prior to the recession 146.6 million, Employment today 144.2 million

    I could beat you up all day with the numbers but they would just go right over your head. Numbers don't matter because you buy the Obama rhetoric

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

    Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't

    name what was better in 2009 than now, which was impacted by Obama
    in short, quit avoiding the question
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

    Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't
    The idea that the stimulus "didn't work" is patently false. It was intended to prevent the economy from going off a cliff.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    name what was better in 2009 than now, which was impacted by Obama
    in short, quit avoiding the question
    Not surprising at all since you want to look at today vs when the debt was 7 trillion less, TARP has just been implemented, consumer confidence wasn't as high. If you spend enough money, brainwash enough people, get enough to drop out of the labor force then no question about it, we are living in utopia today vs 2009. Both you and I know better.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not surprising at all since you want to look at today vs when the debt was 7 trillion less, TARP has just been implemented, consumer confidence wasn't as high. If you spend enough money, brainwash enough people, get enough to drop out of the labor force then no question about it, we are living in utopia today vs 2009. Both you and I know better.
    It surprises me not at all that you are perfectly willing to simply gloss over exactly how bad the economy took a colossal dump in 2008.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The idea that the stimulus "didn't work" is patently false. It was intended to prevent the economy from going off a cliff.
    So we were told and that is exactly what you wanted to hear. How did the 2007-09 recession affect you and your family. We didn't go off the cliff, TARP prevented that. Obama lost an opportunity to make a difference and rather than focus on job growth, economic growth, deficit reduction he piled on, blamed Bush and his little minions are marching in lock step. Amazing how you and others have a very selective memory and understanding. You people have such low standards when it comes to leadership and results

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