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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 so please tell me how total control of Congress by the Democrats allowed Bush to do what you claim he did?

    When confused by data you revert to blaming it on Fox

    Obama has been in office 5 years and there isn't one economic result Obama has that is better than Bush's yet it is Bush who you levy charges against. This is what happens when you buy rhetoric and never verify what you are told.

    Keep buying the Obama and left wing rhetoric and see how far that gets your grandkids. I prefer the Reagan and Bush economies to anything I have seen from today's left

    You really seem to have a distorted view as to the role of the govt. which is typical of what I see from liberals, "I have mine therefore I need to destroy the system which allowed me to generate what I have so no one else can do it"
    Clearly conservatives live comfortably without accountability and personal responsibility. There's is a simple, simple world. Good comes from Republicans, always, bad from Democrats, always. Sometimes it requires screwy accounting to make that come true, but if you follow the instructions issued on conservative evangelical media, you can always find a way.

    It's the way of extremism. No thought required. Follow the leader.

    The book 1984 was prescient. The Ministryof Truth is now conservative evangelical media. The place where truth goes to die to be replaced by right wing extremism.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Clearly conservatives live comfortably without accountability and personal responsibility. There's is a simple, simple world. Good comes from Republicans, always, bad from Democrats, always. Sometimes it requires screwy accounting to make that come true, but if you follow the instructions issued on conservative evangelical media, you can always find a way.

    It's the way of extremism. No thought required. Follow the leader.

    The book 1984 was prescient. The Ministryof Truth is now conservative evangelical media. The place where truth goes to die to be replaced by right wing extremism.

    Always.
    You have yet to respond to one piece of data I have provided, whether it be the 17.3 trillion dollar debt, the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, Obamacare, the failed stimulus, the 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal, the stagnant GDP yet you want to talk about accountability for conservatives? When are liberals ever going to be held accountable for the actual results generated rather than blaming someone else including Fox News?

    I grew up a Democrat, I was a JFK Democrat and if you are who you say you are you understand the JFK economic policy which is far different than the Democrat Policy today. Results matter even in today's world, you ignore the results and like Obama because he tells you what you want to hear, results don't matter.

    There is no justification to continue to support Obama for results matter except apparently in your world. You want to give Obama credit for exactly what? The economic numbers we have today aren't that great and he had 5 years. Apparently Obama is the only President to have an opposition party in his way. Just goes to show how poor his leadership skills are. I employed over 1200 people and always sought consensus on tough decisions. When has Obama done that. It is his authority to call Congressional leaders to the WH, lock them in a room, and solve the problems facing this country. Obama chooses to run from the problems and blame everyone else but his poor or non existent leadership skills.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    You have yet to respond to one piece of data I have provided, whether it be the 17.3 trillion dollar debt, the 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, Obamacare, the failed stimulus, the 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal, the stagnant GDP yet you want to talk about accountability for conservatives? When are liberals ever going to be held accountable for the actual results generated rather than blaming someone else including Fox News?

    I grew up a Democrat, I was a JFK Democrat and if you are who you say you are you understand the JFK economic policy which is far different than the Democrat Policy today. Results matter even in today's world, you ignore the results and like Obama because he tells you what you want to hear, results don't matter.

    There is no justification to continue to support Obama for results matter except apparently in your world. You want to give Obama credit for exactly what? The economic numbers we have today aren't that great and he had 5 years. Apparently Obama is the only President to have an opposition party in his way. Just goes to show how poor his leadership skills are. I employed over 1200 people and always sought consensus on tough decisions. When has Obama done that. It is his authority to call Congressional leaders to the WH, lock them in a room, and solve the problems facing this country. Obama chooses to run from the problems and blame everyone else but his poor or non existent leadership skills.
    Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
    As has been shown here over and over again, you and your other liberal friends have a very selective memory and actually no clue as to what Bush did and didn't do as well as who helped him.
    Obama and liberalism has really used you and people like you because that is what you want to believe. The media destroyed Bush and brainwashed a lot of people. The guy to this day is a class act something Obama will never be.

    What you want to believe is that Bush with a Democrat Controlled Congress that rejected his legislation and budget created the 2009 disaster and that simply defies logic and common sense.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And exactly what positive change has Obama implemented? Over 250 billion a year in debt service? A dependent class? high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers? demonizing individual wealth creation? Massive expansion of the Federal Govt. and destruction of state and local governments? The Federal Govt. implementing personal choice social issues?

    Tell me how any rich person made you poorer or prevented you from becoming rich?
    Can you link specific acts on Obama's part to these outcomes?
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As has been shown here over and over again, you and your other liberal friends have a very selective memory and actually no clue as to what Bush did and didn't do as well as who helped him.
    Obama and liberalism has really used you and people like you because that is what you want to believe. The media destroyed Bush and brainwashed a lot of people. The guy to this day is a class act something Obama will never be.

    What you want to believe is that Bush with a Democrat Controlled Congress that rejected his legislation and budget created the 2009 disaster and that simply defies logic and common sense.
    quit running from his question
    please answer it instead
    with specificity where possible

    now here is the question once again:
    Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Can you link specific acts on Obama's part to these outcomes?
    I have over and over again, posting spreadsheet after spreadsheet all a waste of time because brainwashed individuals don't want to be confused with data and fact.

    Treasury data shows the yearly debt service on the debt. Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service making it the fourth highest budget item and it does nothing to help anyone

    BLS.gov

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS13000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
    Labor force status: Unemployed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 2000 to 2010
    Unemployed
    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
    2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
    2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
    2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
    2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
    2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
    2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
    2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
    2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544 11299
    2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227 15124
    2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104 14393
    2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323 13097
    2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042 12206
    2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777 11514 11316 11255 11272 10907

    Discouraged workers
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
    2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
    2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
    2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988 866 852 815 762


    Unemployed + Discouraged
    2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
    2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
    2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
    2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042
    2012 13807 13812 13551 13486 13525 13522 13597 13327 12884 13061 13021 13274
    2013 13136 12917 12545 12577 12540 12804 12502 12182 12107 12087 11669 0

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    quit running from his question
    please answer it instead
    with specificity where possible

    now here is the question once again:
    Done, now continue to run from the data

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Done, now continue to run from the data

    and you still have not answered the question
    here it is once again:
    Remember 2009. The American people do. Everything is better now. Name one thing not.
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you still have not answered the question
    here it is once again:
    I remember 2009 quite well, Obama signing the 2009 budget, Obama proposing a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but union bailouts and certainly no shovel ready jobs,. Obama proposing Afghanistan surge and 200 billion in Supplementals, Obama taking over GM/Chrysler screwing the bond holders but bailing out the unions, recycling TARP repayment vs. lowering the deficits, When the stimulus didn't work he proposed Obamacare.

    Yes, I remember it quite well, apparently you don't

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