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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    How come it's never presented here?
    I have thousands of posts and have given the links to the sites. I suggest you learn to verify what you are being told rather than looking foolish.

    Go to BEA.gov for GDP growth
    Go to BLS.gov for unemployment/under employment/Discouraged workers
    Go to the U.S. Treasury for budget line items, revenue, and expenses

    You might just realize how foolish liberalism is making you look.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    We focus on progressive, statist government instead. Government that leads positive change for citizens.

    You focus on helping the wealthy harvest the middle class, the creators of all wealth. Then you are surprised when the country goes to hell under your governance.
    And exactly what positive change has Obama implemented? Over 250 billion a year in debt service? A dependent class? high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers? demonizing individual wealth creation? Massive expansion of the Federal Govt. and destruction of state and local governments? The Federal Govt. implementing personal choice social issues?

    Tell me how any rich person made you poorer or prevented you from becoming rich?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    And exactly what positive change has Obama implemented? Over 250 billion a year in debt service? A dependent class? high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers? demonizing individual wealth creation? Massive expansion of the Federal Govt. and destruction of state and local governments? The Federal Govt. implementing personal choice social issues?

    Tell me how any rich person made you poorer or prevented you from becoming rich?
    I am rich.

    I am old. My one concern are the lives of my grandchildren. I want them to have the same opportunities that I've had.

    People who analyze the statistics of social ills have concluded that the main cause is extreme wealth inequity of which the US is the leading example. Experience and data driven reasoning tells me then that extreme wealth inequity is a major threat to my grandchildren's pursuit of happiness.

    Some day business will accept responsibility for the insanely lavish compensation they have been giving executives even for mediocre performance. In the meantime it appears to me the only solution is for government to undue what Bush and business did.

    That process has already begun with ideas of higher taxes on wealth, combined with rewards for businesses that grow American jobs and don't avoid just taxation through international shenanigans.

    Reward what works. A good idea.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have thousands of posts and have given the links to the sites. I suggest you learn to verify what you are being told rather than looking foolish.

    Go to BEA.gov for GDP growth
    Go to BLS.gov for unemployment/under employment/Discouraged workers
    Go to the U.S. Treasury for budget line items, revenue, and expenses

    You might just realize how foolish liberalism is making you look.
    You need to accept how foolish supporting the worst President in American history makes you look.

    Like most Americans I am a progressive statist. Progress has been extremely rewarding to me for 7 decades and I want my grandchildren to say the same when they're my age. What you want is no concern at all to me. What our democracy wants is paramount in my interest.

    So you can rant and whine to your heart's content about what you're entitled to and my ears are deaf.

    I simply don't care about you.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    I am rich.

    I am old. My one concern are the lives of my grandchildren. I want them to have the same opportunities that I've had.

    People who analyze the statistics of social ills have concluded that the main cause is extreme wealth inequity of which the US is the leading example. Experience and data driven reasoning tells me then that extreme wealth inequity is a major threat to my grandchildren's pursuit of happiness.

    Some day business will accept responsibility for the insanely lavish compensation they have been giving executives even for mediocre performance. In the meantime it appears to me the only solution is for government to undue what Bush and business did.

    That process has already begun with ideas of higher taxes on wealth, combined with rewards for businesses that grow American jobs and don't avoid just taxation through international shenanigans.

    Reward what works. A good idea.
    I retired 9 years ago and find it amazing that someone your age still has the same feelings as far too many young people today. What you don't seem to understand that in the budget of the United States approximately 250 billion dollars is being paid yearly to debt service on the debt and that goes to foreign countries or people who hold the bonds sold to pay for that debt. That is the 4th largest budget item we have and money that isn't going to the people truly in need.

    Results matter for it results that measure performance. If you are as old as you say you were judged based upon performance measured by results. You don't see a disconnect in your attitude now?

    Why do you care what business pays its workers, its executives, and pays in taxes? How does that affect you or your grandkids? Your attitude makes no sense especially when we have a 3.6 trillion dollar federal govt. that you want to ignore at least with Obama in the WH.

    What you and far too many are overlooking is the greed of bureaucrats and how that greed is destroying individual wealth opportunities and your freedoms. I have always said it is easier to think with your heart instead of your brain and that is what you are doing here.

    This country was built on the very principles Obama is destroying, incentive and individual wealth creation. It was build on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Obama is a community agitator who never ran anything in his life and we are paying the price for that ignorance and arrogance now. The reward should be the ability to make legally as much as one can or chooses to make.

    If you became rich as you claim you did most of it on your own. Why would you allow a President to destroy the very opportunities you had then?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    You need to accept how foolish supporting the worst President in American history makes you look.

    Like most Americans I am a progressive statist. Progress has been extremely rewarding to me for 7 decades and I want my grandchildren to say the same when they're my age. What you want is no concern at all to me. What our democracy wants is paramount in my interest.

    So you can rant and whine to your heart's content about what you're entitled to and my ears are deaf.

    I simply don't care about you.
    I don't support Obama, I saw his resume in 2008 and his results in 2012 and couldn't support either. You claim to speak for Americans and yet today Obama has 43%JAR so who are you speaking for, that 43%

    I don't rant and rave, I give sources and back it up with personal experiences. I am entitled to nothing neither are you other than equal opportunity. If you allow your grandkids to adopt your current ideology then you better be prepared to take care of them for life for they will never learn to take care of themselves.

    There isn't one Obama economic result better than Bush's average results which include inheriting the Clinton recession, having 9/11, and having two wars authorized by the Democrats. Bush had a Republican Congress in 2003-2006 and the economic results reported at the sites i gave you tell them all. Too bad you prefer buying rhetoric instead of actually verifying it by checking out the results.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I retired 9 years ago and find it amazing that someone your age still has the same feelings as far too many young people today. What you don't seem to understand that in the budget of the United States approximately 250 billion dollars is being paid yearly to debt service on the debt and that goes to foreign countries or people who hold the bonds sold to pay for that debt. That is the 4th largest budget item we have and money that isn't going to the people truly in need.

    Results matter for it results that measure performance. If you are as old as you say you were judged based upon performance measured by results. You don't see a disconnect in your attitude now?

    Why do you care what business pays its workers, its executives, and pays in taxes? How does that affect you or your grandkids? Your attitude makes no sense especially when we have a 3.6 trillion dollar federal govt. that you want to ignore at least with Obama in the WH.

    What you and far too many are overlooking is the greed of bureaucrats and how that greed is destroying individual wealth opportunities and your freedoms. I have always said it is easier to think with your heart instead of your brain and that is what you are doing here.

    This country was built on the very principles Obama is destroying, incentive and individual wealth creation. It was build on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Obama is a community agitator who never ran anything in his life and we are paying the price for that ignorance and arrogance now. The reward should be the ability to make legally as much as one can or chooses to make.

    If you became rich as you claim you did most of it on your own. Why would you allow a President to destroy the very opportunities you had then?
    Standard Fox News paid political propaganda.

    What Obama is doing is keeping people that business and Bush laid off in exchange for massive bonuses, whole until business liberals focused on growth replace business conservatives focused on big bonuses through cost cutting.

    More fix broken Bush policies required of Obama.

    When the country rewards by its tax system income from having wealth over income from creating wealth, action is required.

    With Congress on strike only Obama is in the business of governance.

    I hope that he does what he has to do.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Standard Fox News paid political propaganda.

    What Obama is doing is keeping people that business and Bush laid off in exchange for massive bonuses, whole until business liberals focused on growth replace business conservatives focused on big bonuses through cost cutting.

    More fix broken Bush policies required of Obama.

    When the country rewards by its tax system income from having wealth over income from creating wealth, action is required.

    With Congress on strike only Obama is in the business of governance.

    I hope that he does what he has to do.
    Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 so please tell me how total control of Congress by the Democrats allowed Bush to do what you claim he did?

    When confused by data you revert to blaming it on Fox

    Obama has been in office 5 years and there isn't one economic result Obama has that is better than Bush's yet it is Bush who you levy charges against. This is what happens when you buy rhetoric and never verify what you are told.

    Keep buying the Obama and left wing rhetoric and see how far that gets your grandkids. I prefer the Reagan and Bush economies to anything I have seen from today's left

    You really seem to have a distorted view as to the role of the govt. which is typical of what I see from liberals, "I have mine therefore I need to destroy the system which allowed me to generate what I have so no one else can do it"

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    PMZ,

    What you've stated as fact in your last couple of post in reply to Conservative's anti-Obama/pro-capitalists rants is EXACTLY what many of us have been saving for quite some time now. I'm glad someone of wealth has finally begun to echo the concerns many of us "commoners" among the labor force have been saying for years.You've essentially echoed what the President said in his SOTU address.

    (paraphrasing) a man who works 40 hours a week should reasonable assume he stands a chance to get ahead.
    There are millions of hard working Americans like myself who do the right thing everyday. We go to our full time job, put in an honest day's work, pay our bills and our taxes while trying to live within our means, and are positive members of society. But with each passing day WE are finding it increasingly difficult to stay ahead.

    So many people who think as Conservative does refuse to see how economic policies of the past first initiated during the Reagan-era and accelerated during the GWB-era may be helping those of great wealth like yourself, but they're hurting those in the middle especially those in the lower-middle class (incomes below $60k/annual). What that means to them is even IF you do as your parents did/are doing - go to college, find a job, work hard - you still may not make it because few parents of college students today OR the students themselves are able to afford a quality college education out of their own pocket due in large part to the wide gap in income inequality. It's crazy to think that foreign-born students can come to the United States and have most his/her college education paid for by the government, but a child born in this courty but comes from modest means has to take out 10's of thousands of dollars in student loan debt just have a chance. Yet there are folks out there who complain about the government issuing Pell grants to its own citizens.

    Craziness!

    Or complaining about the poor not paying any taxes.

    Craziness!

    Or the rich having to pay a marginal tax rate at or above (16%) their employees.

    Craziness!

    I don't begrudge the rich. Not at all. I applaud anyone who had an idea for a product or service, worked hard to create it, perfected it, took their idea to the marketplace, promote it and made millions from it. Not problems by me whatsoever. But if you made your millions mainly from investments, private equity or by taking advantage of the tax code, I do have problem with that because such tax rules where bought and paid for through crony capitalism over the past three decades specifically for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to stand pat in mediocrity.

    So, again I applaud you for chiming in with your honesty.

    (Oh, Conservative, BTW you're still on my ignore list. So, unless someone quotes you I have no idea what you're talking about... not that I really care.)
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-01-14 at 04:23 PM.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    PMZ,

    What you've stated as fact in your last couple of post in reply to Conservative's anti-Obama/pro-capitalists rants is EXACTLY what many of us have been saving for quite some time now. I'm glad someone of wealth has finally begun to echo the concerns many of us "commoners" among the labor force have been saying for years.You've essentially echoed what the President said in his SOTU address.



    There are millions of hard working Americans like myself who do the right thing everyday. We go to our full time job, put in an honest day's work, pay our bills and our taxes while trying to live within our means, and are positive members of society. But with each passing day WE are finding it increasingly difficult to stay ahead.

    So many people who think as Conservative does refuse to see how economic policies of the past first initiated during the Reagan-era and accelerated during the GWB-era may be helping those of great wealth like yourself, but they're hurting those in the middle especially those in the lower-middle class (incomes below $60k/annual). What that means to them is even IF you do as your parents did/are doing - go to college, find a job, work hard - you still may not make because few college parents of college students today OR the students themselves are able to afford a quality college education out of their own pocket due in large part to the wide gap in income inequality. It's crazy to think that foreign-born student can come to the United States and have most his/her college education paid for by the government but a child born in this courty but comes from modest means has to take out 10's of thousands of dollars in student loan debt just have a chance. Yet there are folks out there who complain about the government issuing Pell grants to its own citizens.

    Craziness!

    Or complaining about the poor not paying any taxes.

    Craziness!

    Or the rich having to pay a marginal tax rate at or above (16%) their employees.

    Craziness!

    I don't begrudge the rich. Not at all. I applaud anyone who had an idea for a product or service, took it to the marketplace, worked hard to create it, perfect it and promote it and made millions from it. Not problems by me whatsoever. But if you made your millions mainly from investments, private equity or primarily by taking advantage of the tax code, I do have problem with that because such tax rules where bought and paid for through crony capitalism over the past three decades specifically for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to stand pat in mediocrity.

    So, again I applaud you for chiming in with your honesty.
    Actually craziness are people who think that a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt. has no impact on the cost of living of Americans working in this country,

    Craziness are people who ignore the greed of the federal bureaucrats and their attempts to create equal outcome all because of personal jealousy.

    Craziness are people who believe raising the taxes on the top 2% is going to make a hill of beans difference when it comes to the deficit and debt.

    Craziness is ignoring the 250 billion debt service being paid annually to foreign countries and bond holders yet never getting to those people liberals believe they want to help.

    Craziness is believing raising the marginal tax rates creates the same economic activity and incentive as lower taxes and lower rates.

    Craziness is believing that spending in the name of compassion generates compassionate results meaning less dependence on the Federal Govt.

    Craziness are people with good hearts being brainwashed into believing liberal rhetoric and ignoring liberal results.

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