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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I understand what you're saying, but I think you're above post containing the case rulings is a little misleading.

    While it apparently is true that certain departments of the federal government have been taken to court and lost, it's unfair to suggest that every action a department head [Secretary/Director) took were the direct result of an Executive Order issued by the POTUS.
    Never suggested it was. I think you're projecting your assumptions onto what my original statement said. Go back and read MY actual first comment on this...not what others were possibly saying, but MY actually words. I was referencing actions by the administration that were brought to court. I did not suggest "executive orders", but simply an over arching notion of actions undertaken by the Executive Branch or in support of the administrations stated goals and efforts.

    As to your "impeachment" comment, I think this is naive thinking and one that I believe you're far to smart to believe is sincere in being presented. First, simply having an action overturned isn't necessarily grounds for impeachment, as it's still highly questionable if such an action is a willful disregard of the constitution or rather they BELIEVE they are acting in accordance with it but once challenged by law find it wasn't. Note, I've not in any way suggested it's a legitimate grounds for impeachment, only that it's a rather reasonably basis to question the assumption one poster put that Obama's actions would only be what could legally be done. Second, you and I both know that impeachment is not a cut and dry situation regarding simply the law and/or constitution, but a highly political action that hinges as much, if not more, on the political winds in the country and the dynamic of power within the legislation. Third, I'm unsure what you mean about the "SC Rule against him", since I'm unaware that the SC has the ability to directly "rule against" a President as the SCOTUS can't act on it's own but only in response to cases brought forward before them.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Executive orders exist. Sorry if this is news to you.
    Right, that's why President Bush can take us to war without congress approving anything. What a fine country we live in. Those checks and balances are really working out great.

    Thanks, founders.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Never suggested it was. I think you're projecting your assumptions onto what my original statement said. Go back and read MY actual first comment on this...not what others were possibly saying, but MY actually words. I was referencing actions by the administration that were brought to court. I did not suggest "executive orders", but simply an over arching notion of actions undertaken by the Executive Branch or in support of the administrations stated goals and efforts.

    As to your "impeachment" comment, I think this is naive thinking and one that I believe you're far to smart to believe is sincere in being presented. First, simply having an action overturned isn't necessarily grounds for impeachment, as it's still highly questionable if there was a willful disregard of the constitution of rather they BELIEVED they were acting in accordance with it but once challenged by law found it wasn't. Note, I've not in any way suggested it's a legitimate grounds for impeachment, only that it's a rather reasonably basis to question the assumption one poster put that Obama's actions would only be what could legally be done. Second, you and I both know that impeachment is not a cut and dry situation regarding simply the law and/or constitution, but a highly political action that hinges as much, if not more, on the political winds in the country and the dynamic of power within the legislation. Third, I'm unsure what you mean about the "SC Rule against him", since I'm unaware that the SC has the ability to directly "rule against" a President as the SCOTUS can't act on it's own but only in response to cases brought forward before them.
    "if there was a willful disregard of the constitution of rather they BELIEVED they were acting in accordance with it but once challenged by law found it wasn't."

    I remember when Americans respected each other, the country, and our government.

    Now they respect media. A sad state of affairs. But, entertainers have to make their billions too.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Which of Obama's policies caused $7T in debt. Be specific.
    Failed Stimulus, lack of leadership, failure to implement any of Bowles/Simpson, Gm/Chrysler takeover, Bailouts, Afghanistan supplementals, people dropping out of the labor forces and not paying FIT. Want me to go on? Does it really matter? You are going to believe what you want in spite of the record.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is interesting: Bush Pushes Agenda Without Congress (from 2007) Bush pushes agenda without Congress - politics | NBC News

    From the article:
    Outgoing presidents often unleash a flurry of executive orders and regulations in a last-minute attempt to leave their mark on U.S. policy. Frustrated by Congressí inability or unwillingness to pass the presidentís agenda, the administration already is taking steps to do it through executive action....

    Bush said it was an example of acting within the boundaries of existing law when Congress failed to act.


    sound familiar??
    that one is gonna sting
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Failed Stimulus, lack of leadership, failure to implement any of Bowles/Simpson, Gm/Chrysler takeover, Bailouts, Afghanistan supplementals, people dropping out of the labor forces and not paying FIT. Want me to go on? Does it really matter? You are going to believe what you want in spite of the record.
    yes. be specific. exactly what portion of that seven trillion is due to the president's actions/inactions
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that one is gonna sting
    So because Bush did it in your opinion that is ok for Obama to do it? Did you support the Bush actions?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes. be specific. exactly what portion of that seven trillion is due to the president's actions/inactions
    Since Budgets are yearly ever dollar spent in 20010-2013 is Obama's responsibility as is the revenue associated with that economic policy.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since Budgets are yearly ever dollar spent in 20010-2013 is Obama's responsibility as is the revenue associated with that economic policy.
    so, then he is also responsible for the severe decline in the annual federal deficit?
    good to hear. and you will hear more of it, repeatedly, in response to your own repeated anti-Obama rants
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, then he is also responsible for the severe decline in the annual federal deficit?
    good to hear. and you will hear more of it, repeatedly, in response to your own repeated anti-Obama rants
    Severe decline-680 billion deficit? Interesting that 680 billion added to the debt is still setting records. Guess standards are lower for Obama than other President's. Name for me any Republican President that had a 680 billion deficit and took victory laps over it? Do you realize there was no budget cuts at all, just elimination of the Payroll tax holiday that increased revenue? You think the 3.77 trillion Obama budget is a step towards improving the deficit and reducing the debt?

    By the way, sorry that the facts simply get in the way of your pro Obama rants. Guess we can see you are in the 43% that continues to support him

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