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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I'm not making any claim. I am just sharing buzz that was out there about him and every other President when they were in office and used EOs. People are claiming the EO's originated with Obama, which is inaccurate. They are also claiming that he is abusing them, which is a claim leveled against every other President that used them.

    Point being, maybe the problem is EO's and not this President.
    none of any previous Administration EO's ever changed existing law such as Obama has done with Obamacare and the minimum wage paid on Government contracts. Congress controls the purse strings and it is the job of the President to enforce the laws passed.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To be fair, given numerous instances of the administrations actions being overruled by the court in a unanimous basis, it would be more accurate to say "work with me, or to the extent I believe I am legally able, I will move things forward myself".

    As we've seen in past decisions, and potentially in the upcoming decision regarding his "recess" appointment, what the President BELIEVES is legal and what is legal doesn't always jive. What's troubling is an administration ran by a "constitutional professor" (whose experience as such was one thing touted as a reason to not worry about his dreadfully lacking resume) is having routine instances of being overruled unanimously by the SCOTUS.
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    Here's a USA Today article going over some of them ((Source) as well as one from the WSJ (SOURCE). A sampling summary...

    Horne v. Department of Agriculture was a 5th amendment issue with the Obama Administration seizing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of crop without compensation and claiming the farmers couldnít even raise the issue with the court without enduring lengthy delays and paying a $483k fine. 9-0 against the administration

    Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency claimed a couple couldnít go to court to seek compensation after the EPA blocked construction of their house. Again, 9-0 against the administration

    Arkansas Game & Fish Commission v. United States they argued the government isnít required to compensate people if the government repeatedly and deliberately floods their property. 9-0 against once again.

    Hosanna-Tabor Church v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission had the administration claiming that a churchís religious protections under the first amendment doesnít extend to their decisions regarding the hiring and firing of employees, a position even Elena Kagan decried as ďamazingĒ. Again, 9-0.

    United States v. Jones had the administration arguing they could put a GPS onto a suspected drug dealerís car and electronically monitor his movements without a warrant. Again, 9-0

    In no way am I suggesting in any of those cases that the administration was sitting there going "mwhahaha, let's go against the constitutional boundries set forth before us". But it is pointing out that simply because Obama chooses to do something doesn't necessarily mean he's doing it "within the law", only within what he and his administration THINK is the law.

    And as I pointed out in another thread, the argument is hardly singularly on the notion that Executive Orders are unconstiituional (some think that, but it seems a minority) nor simply the amount (ridiculous to look at a complex issue and argument and boil it down to a singular metric), but rather a combination of multiple factors that lead into the complaints regarding Obama's actions and threatened actions.
    I understand what you're saying, but I think you're above post containing the case rulings is a little misleading.

    While it apparently is true that certain departments of the federal government have been taken to court and lost, it's unfair to suggest that every action a department head [Secretary/Director) took were the direct result of an Executive Order issued by the POTUS. It's understandable how someone would assume such to be the case, but often times such actions are the result of misapplication of certain provisions of the law OR folks simply overstepping their bounds. The logical conclusion, of course, is if this is happening at the department level the "head of the snake" is doing it, too. But here again I say if that were truly the case, wouldn't the President have been impeached by now or had a SC rule against him?
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    none of any previous Administration EO's ever changed existing law such as Obama has done with Obamacare and the minimum wage paid on Government contracts. Congress controls the purse strings and it is the job of the President to enforce the laws passed.
    There are limitations to what a President can do using an EO. I'm pretty sure they have to go through judicial review and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution (just clipped this from wikipedia)
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    There is absolutely no justification for continued democratic rule in the Senate and WH.
    Except for the elections we recently had.
    GOPea-brains, not aimed at you, continue to refuse to say whether Mr. Obama is a "legitimate" President.
    That word "legitimate" was used by Aiken also.

    Very little will be accomplished until most of the TEA/RINO primaries are over.
    Please tell me when you guys can agree with yourselves so we can then try to work with you .
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is interesting: Bush Pushes Agenda Without Congress (from 2007) Bush pushes agenda without Congress - politics | NBC News

    From the article:
    Outgoing presidents often unleash a flurry of executive orders and regulations in a last-minute attempt to leave their mark on U.S. policy. Frustrated by Congressí inability or unwillingness to pass the presidentís agenda, the administration already is taking steps to do it through executive action....

    Bush said it was an example of acting within the boundaries of existing law when Congress failed to act.


    sound familiar??
    E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!

    It's okay when the President whose has a House majority does it, but when it's a President with a House minority suddenly he's acting like an tyrant, a dictator, a King, an Empirical President.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!

    It's okay when the President whose has a House majority does it, but when it's a President with a House minority suddenly he's acting like an tyrant, a dictator, a King, an Empirical President.
    You have to be kidding, our community agitator President is totally and completely incompetent as the results show and yet results don't seem to matter. Here we are five years into this Presidency and people like you are still making excuses for Obama failures. Did you support what you believe Bush did with EO's?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    Interesting how the data doesn't support your claims especially the data today 5 years after the end of the recession. Post data, not opinions and further realize where the data comes from. What effect did the Democrat Controlled Congress have on the economic results in 2007-2009?
    Is your post the kind of data that you are referring to?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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    You have to be kidding, our community agitator President is totally and completely incompetent as the results show and yet results don't seem to matter. Here we are five years into this Presidency and people like you are still making excuses for Obama failures. Did you support what you believe Bush did with EO's?
    You're right. These improvements to the economy are bull****.

    Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President? - Forbes

    Although we hear almost no one in the Obama administration taking credit for record index highs, they should. Because the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You're right. These improvements to the economy are bull****.

    Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President? - Forbes

    Although we hear almost no one in the Obama administration taking credit for record index highs, they should. Because the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.
    Obama has a 43 percent Job Approval rating, has added almost 7 trillion to the debt, has high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, 2 million fewer people working today than when the recession began and this qualifies him for America's best President's. Such low standards people like you have. Please tell me what economic policy Obama has implemented that has benefited you and your family along with the economy in general?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama has a 43 percent Job Approval rating, has added almost 7 trillion to the debt, has high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, 2 million fewer people working today than when the recession began and this qualifies him for America's best President's. Such low standards people like you have. Please tell me what economic policy Obama has implemented that has benefited you and your family along with the economy in general?
    Which of Obama's policies caused $7T in debt. Be specific.

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