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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And Teddy would have been no fan of the current crop that call themselves progressives either, so?
    well, TR was against 9-YO miners with missing fingers and toes, from the other end of his party.

    The democrats had about a hundred year head start in using it to their benefit.
    Yeah those pesky Southern Conservatives really ****ed things up in this Nation didn't they?


    Yeah, I kinda get a chuckle out of TR, I laugh at the way he defied congress, fought the sugar trust
    I'm glad to see you've noticed the coincidences between TR and BHO.
    But I doubt highly you would have enjoyed actually living under his presidency any more than I would have.
    Cleaning up after the Gilded age would have been tough.
    I certainly support the 16th amendment he championed and proudly pay my American taxes.
    Statement of fact, not an insult unless you think it applies.
    I'm doing my best not to post like this, as per warnings in other threads.
    You've refuted nothing
    which is why you're still spinning.
    and shown you don't know much about TR to boot.
    As a teacher, our motto was "and gladly would he learn and gladly teach" .
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    well, TR was against 9-YO miners with missing fingers and toes, from the other end of his party.
    I would have been too, but then there was another side to the issue. There was no social safety net and the families of those children working relied upon the money the kid was bringing in. That stopped, do you suppose realistically that things were any better for the kid since the family was now even poorer?

    Btw, I went to work when I was 12, recapping tires with a couple other older fellows who had lost fingers.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yeah those pesky Southern Conservatives really ****ed things up in this Nation didn't they?
    Funny you should say that when a lot of that child labor you were just complaining about was in the North.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm glad to see you've noticed the coincidences between TR and BHO.
    Proving once again you know nothing about TR.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Cleaning up after the Gilded age would have been tough.
    I certainly support the 16th amendment he championed and proudly pay my American taxes.
    He did no such thing. He was quite simply a president for his time. About as much as he got right, he got wrong. Btw, he was a confirmed racist with a hard "R". I suppose that's okay too as long as he called himself a progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm doing my best not to post like this, as per warnings in other threads.
    Good for you and a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    which is why you're still spinning.

    As a teacher, our motto was "and gladly would he learn and gladly teach" .
    There's no spin involved, just correction of your multiple errors where it comes to TR and actual history. Stick with the "gladly would he learn" part, that should always precede the "and gladly teach" part.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you pleased with the set-up guaranteeing little turnover in the current House.

    Since I'm partisan but moderate upon coming to dp, my only hope is Mr. Boehner.

    Though I must say Mr. Ryan is making sensible noises coming out of this "retreat" in Maryland.

    Let's hope the GOP can come to an agreement with themselves so the Nation can move forward .
    They simply have to evict conservatives in a public way. The Southern Democrats, the root stock of the conservative genre, had the same destructive effect on Democrats during the civil rights days. They were shown the door by LBJ.

    Republicans have to do the same in order to return to getting things done. A thrashing at the polls will inspire the courage and resolve required.

    As a displaced but still registered Republican, I say that the recovery can't happen quick enough. Our democracy won't be effective as a one party system.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    I voted for State Republicans here in IL for my first votes in 1972, the very good Gov. Ogilvie lost and Sen. Percy won.
    I couldn't vote for Nixon, being the cynic I was, Kissinger ending the draft during an election year just coinciding with the loss of the 2S deferment.
    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    They simply have to evict conservatives in a public way. The Southern Democrats, the root stock of the conservative genre, had the same destructive effect on Democrats during the civil rights days. They were shown the door by LBJ.
    Boehner reminds me of a more handsomely-spoken and straight-forward LBJ.
    Even noises from Rep. Paul sounded good.
    I hope it's genuine .
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I voted for State Republicans here in IL for my first votes in 1972, the very good Gov. Ogilvie lost and Sen. Percy won.
    I couldn't vote for Nixon, being the cynic I was, Kissinger ending the draft during an election year just coinciding with the loss of the 2S deferment.

    Boehner reminds me of a more handsomely-spoken and straight-forward LBJ.
    Even noises from Rep. Paul sounded good.
    I hope it's genuine .
    Because there were a few moments when conservative's were drunk on Reagan's, "the government is not the solution, the government is the problem", Boehner was convinced that he had enough political capital to shut down government. A gross miscalculation on his part mistaking a temporary fashion with a long term shift in American values.

    Now that he has committed himself to that position, and the ground beneath him has shifted, he's stuck holding the bag.

    He's nothing if not a consummate politician, so perhaps he can dig himself out, but I don't see how. He just may have to be sacrificed along with those who sucked him in, to the rebuilding of the party.

    I frankly would hate to be in his shoes.

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    Because there were a few moments when conservative's were drunk on Reagan's, "the government is not the solution, the government is the problem", Boehner was convinced that he had enough political capital to shut down government. A gross miscalculation on his part mistaking a temporary fashion with a long term shift in American values.
    I think Mr. Boehner may be going out with a bang will have a ****-it year.
    He's not just doggin Mr. Obama as intransigent.
    He's blaming his own caucus by saying He did as they wanted him to.

    Now that he has committed himself to that position, and the ground beneath him has shifted, he's stuck holding the bag.
    I believe the GOP message will be sharper after this retreat they're at in MD.
    DEMs are giving up on the House but better not lose too many House seats.

    He's nothing if not a consummate politician, so perhaps he can dig himself out, but I don't see how. He just may have to be sacrificed along with those who sucked him in, to the rebuilding of the party. I frankly would hate to be in his shoes.
    When you have Senators like Cruz as part of your House caucus, you haven't won anything in 2014 yet,
    and the GOP faces far more divisive primaries and a greater number of both TEA and RINO primaries than DEMs .

    Mr. Boehner has the ****tiest job in DC.
    He needs all of our prayers .
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I think Mr. Boehner may be going out with a bang will have a ****-it year.
    He's not just doggin Mr. Obama as intransigent.
    He's blaming his own caucus by saying He did as they wanted him to.


    I believe the GOP message will be sharper after this retreat they're at in MD.
    DEMs are giving up on the House but better not lose too many House seats.


    When you have Senators like Cruz as part of your House caucus, you haven't won anything in 2014 yet,
    and the GOP faces far more divisive primaries and a greater number of both TEA and RINO primaries than DEMs .

    Mr. Boehner has the ****tiest job in DC.
    He needs all of our prayers .
    If there is going to be an immediate future resurgence of the GOP, they certainly did their best to hide it at their response to the state of the union. Do you think that that was strategy?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    The quality of the SOTU responses to Mr. Obama have been abysmal.
    Only an imperial lawless King could have mind-melded with these clowns to cause such lack of stage presence.
    The individual one-liners of ALL the GOP members to the SOTU was a gift that will give again .
    Quote Originally Posted by PMZ View Post
    If there is going to be an immediate future resurgence of the GOP, they certainly did their best to hide it at their response to the state of the union. Do you think that that was strategy?
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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The quality of the SOTU responses to Mr. Obama have been abysmal.
    Only an imperial lawless King could have mind-melded with these clowns to cause such lack of stage presence.
    The individual one-liners of ALL the GOP members to the SOTU was a gift that will give again .
    Strategy or incompetence?

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    Re: Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

    completely incompetent and impotent
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    Strategy or incompetence?
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