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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    If the GOP plan has good ideas and would save money and make a better PPACA, I say let's get it done.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

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    It may not be a fix all, but it is a start, and a return to allowing American's to make the choice, not some government official....And further, it is something that American's want a return to, with nearly every measurement polled of the President's performance, from O-care, to trustworthiness Obama's, and democrat governance is coming in with approvals in the high 30s, and disapproval in the near 60% range....
    Americans want to pay a 35% tax on the cost of their premium, pay deadbeats up to $8K per year in tax credits, and allow insurance companies to discriminate on the basis of a pre-existing condition again? Those are the lovely little details of this hair-brained Republican idea that Fox News didn't publish.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

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    Americans want to pay a 35% tax on the cost of their premium, pay deadbeats up to $8K per year in tax credits, and allow insurance companies to discriminate on the basis of a pre-existing condition again? Those are the lovely little details of this hair-brained Republican idea that Fox News didn't publish.
    Yeah? Well what the hell do they have now with the ACA? Premiums over $700. per month, and deductibles as high as $15,000 when before they may have had premiums of $300, and deductibles of $4000. You're insane if you think that this is bringing costs down.

    Plus, in the aggregate there MORE people uninsured today, then before they forced this turd on us, with more to come.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah? Well what the hell do they have now with the ACA? Premiums over $700. per month, and deductibles as high as $15,000 when before they may have had premiums of $300, and deductibles of $4000. You're insane if you think that this is bringing costs down.

    Plus, in the aggregate there MORE people uninsured today, then before they forced this turd on us, with more to come.
    The cost of equivalent plans is lower in the new competitive marketplaces than in the employer-sponsored group world:



    And uninsurance this month is lower than it's been in a couple years. The spike in uninsured the GOP was predicting never materialized.


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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    The cost of equivalent plans is lower in the new competitive marketplaces than in the employer-sponsored group world...
    Nice graph...Kaiser has been a proponent of the ACA, as are hospital groups and others that stand to benefit from it, like say, the AARP. I gave you what I found in looking on HC.gov, so while you may be able to find a source that you agree with, and you think backs up your personal feeling on the subject, it is less productive to be drawn into dueling tainted sourcing wouldn't you agree?

    I am telling you, that these plans on the exchange are costing more, and more people in net so far, are uninsured....

    I mean something that should have you questioning your own charts here, is the simple fact that 5 million were kicked off their plans, and the ACA if you believe the administration says they've signed up 3 million so far, that is a net minus of 2 million more people uninsured....This is common sense stuff.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah? Well what the hell do they have now with the ACA? Premiums over $700. per month, and deductibles as high as $15,000 when before they may have had premiums of $300, and deductibles of $4000. You're insane if you think that this is bringing costs down.

    Plus, in the aggregate there MORE people uninsured today, then before they forced this turd on us, with more to come.
    And raising my income taxes will bring the deductible down?
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

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    And raising my income taxes will bring the deductible down?
    I'm not for raising anyone's income taxes. I think that the government already takes too much of our money...What would make you think I was saying that?
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    As an addendum to Greenbeard's post, since he wanted to use Kasier to bolster his accounting that the ACA is making things better, this from Kasier appeared yesterday....

    As the deadline for 2014 enrollment nears, Obamacare is increasingly growing unpopular, especially among the uninsured. A new Kaiser Family Foundation survey finds that about twice as many uninsured people have an unfavorable view of the health-care law than have a favorable one.

    Among the uninsured, 47 percent view Obamacare in a negative light versus the 24 percent who view it favorably. That’s a change from 43 percent who viewed it unfavorably last month, and 36 percent who viewed it favorably. Overall, half of Americans view Obamacare unfavorably, while just over one-third have a positive take on the law. ​

    More of the uninsured also said Obamacare made them worse off (39 percent) than improved their situation (26 percent), according to the poll.

    Obamacare's Unpopularity Rises Among Uninsured | National Review Online
    Now this begs the question of why the conflicting information? Could it be that supporters of the ACA are cherry picking information to bolster their case? Nah, I'm sure that couldn't be it.....
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As an addendum to Greenbeard's post, since he wanted to use Kasier to bolster his accounting that the ACA is making things better, this from Kasier appeared yesterday....



    Now this begs the question of why the conflicting information? Could it be that supporters of the ACA are cherry picking information to bolster their case? Nah, I'm sure that couldn't be it.....
    What Green beard posted are facts and figures of the cost of medical insurance premiums. What you've posted is the results of a survey of how people feel about the ACA. This is simply an apples to road apples comparison.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm not for raising anyone's income taxes.
    I am for raising taxes, on a mean-tested basis.
    I pay only 10% federal tax on my public pension and zero state income tax, insanity.
    Before you rightist meme me on give it back then, it takes a Nation of people who want it to work together, not just me.
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