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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I advocate a bare bones plan for everybody with insurance companies providing "upgrades".

    Don't have a problem with it not being free. And I think "overusers" at all levels need to be addressed. I know people with insurance who go to the doctor for EVERY LITTLE THING. Adding a bunch of new people doing this who pay nothing would be extremely unhelpful. HOW to address it is the tricky part.
    Everyone should pay something. Nothing is free.

    And, what you say is true about over use. The other part of the equation is the vast difference in charges for the same procedure. Some health care providers charge ten times as much as others for the same thing. The reason they get by with it is that the customer (patient) isn't paying and often doesn't eve know the true costs. If a grocery store tried to sell a steak for $50 that another was selling for $5, it wouldn't be in business very long.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Well this is a step forward from voting to repeal it without any other plan of action afterwards. Props to these fellas for actually trying to fix something
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Major HMOs have massively documented practises of denying people coverage, dropping coverage and forcing substantially higher premiums on people who get sick.

    Are you denying this occurs?

    A: I'm in Canada, I was born in South Africa.

    B: I was speaking about Americans concept of choice, not what choices they actually make.

    At work I'll have to track down the video and corresponding study, interesting stuff.

    That's not the point, the point is to question whether or not a choice is really a choice and this is a good example of it.

    Is it really a choice of different drinks... or is it all sugary crap?

    Is it really a choice of different healthcare providers... or is it all self serving corporations whose aim is to make a profit off you while providing you with the least amount of care possible?

    Yeah because that was working so well up until 2009

    I'm not saying Obamacare is the answer, I think it's actually a horrific piece of legislation and I supported and expected it to be struck down by SCOTUS but it has not been.

    What I take issue with is this notion that private business is the way to go with Healthcare and I just don't believe that.
    Notice, none of your questions were actually answered.

    Interesting, no?

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have heard since this law was first proposed in 2009, that Republicans have no alternatives. To some extent that is true, not in that Repubs didn't offer anything, indeed there were several plans put forth only to be set out there and blocked by Harry Reid, and then denounced as 'nothing to offer'....Well, here we go with another one. Will democrats again be the party of disingenuousness, and lie that nothing was put forward? Here are some key points of the latest proposal...



    It may not be a fix all, but it is a start, and a return to allowing American's to make the choice, not some government official....And further, it is something that American's want a return to, with nearly every measurement polled of the President's performance, from O-care, to trustworthiness Obama's, and democrat governance is coming in with approvals in the high 30s, and disapproval in the near 60% range....
    How do they plan to pay for it? The mandates are unpopular but that's what funds all the other things that people like about Obamacare and what this Republican plan says they'd keep, things like no denying pre-existing conditions, keeping your kids on your plan till they are 26, etc, etc.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    So, another health insurance law that does nothing to control health care costs.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We already know that you will refuse to see any wrong in Dear Leader...Why else bring Iraq into a health care discussion?
    What is it with you people and this "Dear Leader"? I've been plenty critical of Obama. Your problem is that if someone isn't all criticism all the time, then they just aren't being critical enough. Good lord. Pay attention. A politician took the best possible outcome and touted it as if it would be the normal outcome. What is unusual about this?
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Everyone should pay something. Nothing is free.

    And, what you say is true about over use. The other part of the equation is the vast difference in charges for the same procedure. Some health care providers charge ten times as much as others for the same thing. The reason they get by with it is that the customer (patient) isn't paying and often doesn't eve know the true costs. If a grocery store tried to sell a steak for $50 that another was selling for $5, it wouldn't be in business very long.
    Then there's pharmaceuticals. The asthma inhalers I use cost $50/ea here. Mexico? 3 for $15. TEN times as much in the states. Ridiculous verging on criminal.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    How do they plan to pay for it? The mandates are unpopular but that's what funds all the other things that people like about Obamacare and what this Republican plan says they'd keep, things like no denying pre-existing conditions, keeping your kids on your plan till they are 26, etc, etc.
    I'm sure there is a shrimp on a treadmill somewhere that can do without the funding, or a hooker in China that we don't need to know their drinking habits that we could do without...
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    What is it with you people and this "Dear Leader"? I've been plenty critical of Obama. Your problem is that if someone isn't all criticism all the time, then they just aren't being critical enough. Good lord. Pay attention. A politician took the best possible outcome and touted it as if it would be the normal outcome. What is unusual about this?
    "Best possible outcome"? Are you serious? No, the "best possible outcome" would have been to actually look at areas driving the inflated costs and address them, instead of trying to nationalize 1/6 of American GDP in a power play, that 60% of American's didn't want then, and don't want now.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm sure there is a shrimp on a treadmill somewhere that can do without the funding, or a hooker in China that we don't need to know their drinking habits that we could do without...
    So its going to be paid for with fairy dust and dreams? This is a serious question, the mandates in Obamacare are unpopular but they are also the thing that pays for all the benefits that everyone loves, you can't have your cake and eat it too kind of thing, if the Republican alternative can't even answer a basic question like "How will this program be funded" its just a stupid joke for stupid people.

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