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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama promised that under his plan average families would see a savings of $2500. per family, so far, they have seen the exact opposite with the plans costing an average of $2500. more than what they had....So the delusion is yours my friend.
    Military "expert" John McCain said that the war in Iraq would be over in a few weeks, maybe a couple months, but certainly not six months.


    I can't believe a politician took the best possible outcome and touted it as normal. Why are politicians dishonest...omg waaaaaaaah!

    Oh yeah, you know whom I consider the people who are credible? Those whom are right the first time instead of playing monday morning quarterback. That's never the Republicans.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I advocate a bare bones plan for everybody with insurance companies providing "upgrades".

    Don't have a problem with it not being free. And I think "overusers" at all levels need to be addressed. I know people with insurance who go to the doctor for EVERY LITTLE THING. Adding a bunch of new people doing this who pay nothing would be extremely unhelpful. HOW to address it is the tricky part.
    The only people I've heard of that "overuse" Health Care are those without insurance going into emergency rooms because they can't get a doctor any other time.

    Other than that I really don't see people overusing. I could be mistaken, but that is what I've seen.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm curious about the notion of an "overuser" of health care. Who gets too much health care? Most people I know won't go to a doctor until something is falling off or bleeding.
    I know several people who run to the doctor for every twinge and sniffle. Many moms with their kids too.

    Low level hypochondria and a low tolerance for discomfort in the first case and "helicopter mom" in the latter.

    My wife would have spent thousands at the vet for NOTHING by now if I let her.

    Its all "Cadillac" insurance and govt providers, usually.

    And like I said, addressing the phenomenon is EXTREMELY tricky. Maybe a surcharge for "false alarms".
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm curious about the notion of an "overuser" of health care. Who gets too much health care? Most people I know won't go to a doctor until something is falling off or bleeding.
    There was a story in the PPACA subforum about a woman going to the E.R. for a cough. That's not an exaggeration either. And she's typical.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    So basically it's Obamacare... except for the parts that actually help the lower class. And a tax cut. Of course there's a tax cut. That's not an alternative. That's a half-measure to take out the teeth.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I know several people who run to the doctor for every twinge and sniffle. Many moms with their kids too.

    Low level hypochondria and a low tolerance for discomfort in the first case and "helicopter mom" in the latter.

    My wife would have spent thousands at the vet for NOTHING by now if I let her.

    Its all "Cadillac" insurance and govt providers, usually.

    And like I said, addressing the phenomenon is EXTREMELY tricky. Maybe a surcharge for "false alarms".
    You stop that behavior real quick with High deductible plans, which is what most PPACA plans are.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is not universally true. There are times when faster care can be found across the border for surgery. Just like the other way around. The plural of anecdote is not data.

    Canada definitely still has issues with wait times, but it is a mistake to think of this as being inherent to UHC systems. Canada's wait times are a Canadian problem. You'll notice that nobody brings up France, Germany, Switzerland. Sweden, Japan, or Australia when talking about wait times. Likely because all of those countries have us beat. Sometimes by a huge margin.
    Those countries don't have a swath of unproductive government co-dependents that abuse the healthcare system at every turn for every thing. There is a very small percentage of Americans that put an enormous strain on the healthcare system because they are non-contributors to the economy in general. For the vast majority of Americans, the system needs minor tweaks only. It works very well for them. The problems are in New York and LA, so the the itch is getting treated like terminal cancer.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So basically it's Obamacare... except for the parts that actually help the lower class. And a tax cut. Of course there's a tax cut. That's not an alternative. That's a half-measure to take out the teeth.
    People have GOT to take some responsibility for their well-being. Healthcare isn't and shouldn't be free. The problem is with the swath of Americans who don't believe they should have to spend a red cent of their own money on pretty much anything, nor should they be responsible for feeding, clothing, and housing themselves.

    Until we address willing codependency, there is no viable solution for these folks.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Military "expert" John McCain said that the war in Iraq would be over in a few weeks, maybe a couple months, but certainly not six months.


    I can't believe a politician took the best possible outcome and touted it as normal. Why are politicians dishonest...omg waaaaaaaah!

    Oh yeah, you know whom I consider the people who are credible? Those whom are right the first time instead of playing monday morning quarterback. That's never the Republicans.
    We already know that you will refuse to see any wrong in Dear Leader...Why else bring Iraq into a health care discussion?
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Military "expert" John McCain said that the war in Iraq would be over in a few weeks, maybe a couple months, but certainly not six months.


    I can't believe a politician took the best possible outcome and touted it as normal. Why are politicians dishonest...omg waaaaaaaah!

    Oh yeah, you know whom I consider the people who are credible? Those whom are right the first time instead of playing monday morning quarterback. That's never the Republicans.
    I thought he said it would be easy? Anywho.
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