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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I have asthma. Not serious but chronic. Puts me on the pre-existing condition list.
    OK then, since that obstacle has been removed by PPACA, have you signed up for medical care insurance now that you "must"?
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Better hurry, O-care's window is closing, you need that affordable insurance.
    Yeah, just gotta talk to somebody, as my income fluctuates so much right now.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Then why are Canadians that can afford it leaving in droves for their serious healthcare needs.

    Your system works great if you have the flu. Not so much if you have a life-threatening condition.

    And I've heard this from multiple Canadians themselves. Not the media.
    But the reverse is also true, Americans going to canada for faster and cheaper care.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

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    But the reverse is also true, Americans going to canada for faster and cheaper care.
    It's not faster at all. It's painfully slow if you are in need of serious care.

    They are set up well for checkups and head colds. Who goes to Canada for a head cold?

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK then, since that obstacle has been removed by PPACA, have you signed up for medical care insurance now that you "must"?
    Tried online but ran into an issue due to the vagaries in my income right now. Starting out with the stagehands union means feast and famine and the website had no "not sure" option. Gotta call and talk to somebody.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Tried online but ran into an issue due to the vagaries in my income right now. Starting out with the stagehands union means feast and famine and the website had no "not sure" option. Gotta call and talk to somebody.
    Good luck. Honestly.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have heard since this law was first proposed in 2009, that Republicans have no alternatives. To some extent that is true, not in that Repubs didn't offer anything, indeed there were several plans put forth only to be set out there and blocked by Harry Reid, and then denounced as 'nothing to offer'....Well, here we go with another one. Will democrats again be the party of disingenuousness, and lie that nothing was put forward? Here are some key points of the latest proposal...



    It may not be a fix all, but it is a start, and a return to allowing American's to make the choice, not some government official....And further, it is something that American's want a return to, with nearly every measurement polled of the President's performance, from O-care, to trustworthiness Obama's, and democrat governance is coming in with approvals in the high 30s, and disapproval in the near 60% range....
    The Republicans don't have an original plan, but at least they're suggesting some fixes to the one passed by the Democrats. They do have some good ideas, except for the assumption that people who have pre existing conditions were able to get health care before Obamacare. That one needs to be looked at very carefully.

    Here's an original idea, and one that doesn't require 2,000 pages:
    Scrap the whole thing. Institute a universal health insurance plan that is really insurance, one that only covers catastrophic health care costs. Everyone, regardless of "pre existing conditions", pays for their own health care until costs exceed 10% of their income. After that, the universal health care pays.

    Everyone has skin in the game. Everyone has an incentive to cut costs. Employers no longer have to shoulder the burden of health care. No one should go bankrupt due to a health issue.

    Right wingers won't like it as it is universal and therefore "socialism."\
    Left wingers won't like it as the poor still have to pay something.

    The rest of us would like it, as it would cut costs dramatically.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The Republicans don't have an original plan, but at least they're suggesting some fixes to the one passed by the Democrats. They do have some good ideas, except for the assumption that people who have pre existing conditions were able to get health care before Obamacare. That one needs to be looked at very carefully.

    Here's an original idea, and one that doesn't require 2,000 pages:
    Scrap the whole thing. Institute a universal health insurance plan that is really insurance, one that only covers catastrophic health care costs. Everyone, regardless of "pre existing conditions", pays for their own health care until costs exceed 10% of their income. After that, the universal health care pays.

    Everyone has skin in the game. Everyone has an incentive to cut costs. Employers no longer have to shoulder the burden of health care. No one should go bankrupt due to a health issue.

    Right wingers won't like it as it is universal and therefore "socialism."\
    Left wingers won't like it as the poor still have to pay something.

    The rest of us would like it, as it would cut costs dramatically.
    I advocate a bare bones plan for everybody with insurance companies providing "upgrades".

    Don't have a problem with it not being free. And I think "overusers" at all levels need to be addressed. I know people with insurance who go to the doctor for EVERY LITTLE THING. Adding a bunch of new people doing this who pay nothing would be extremely unhelpful. HOW to address it is the tricky part.
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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's not faster at all. It's painfully slow if you are in need of serious care.

    They are set up well for checkups and head colds. Who goes to Canada for a head cold?
    This is not universally true. There are times when faster care can be found across the border for surgery. Just like the other way around. The plural of anecdote is not data.

    Canada definitely still has issues with wait times, but it is a mistake to think of this as being inherent to UHC systems. Canada's wait times are a Canadian problem. You'll notice that nobody brings up France, Germany, Switzerland. Sweden, Japan, or Australia when talking about wait times. Likely because all of those countries have us beat. Sometimes by a huge margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Republicans pitch ObamaCare alternative on eve of presidential address

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I advocate a bare bones plan for everybody with insurance companies providing "upgrades".

    Don't have a problem with it not being free. And I think "overusers" at all levels need to be addressed. I know people with insurance who go to the doctor for EVERY LITTLE THING. Adding a bunch of new people doing this who pay nothing would be extremely unhelpful. HOW to address it is the tricky part.
    I'm curious about the notion of an "overuser" of health care. Who gets too much health care? Most people I know won't go to a doctor until something is falling off or bleeding.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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