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Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi [W:185]

Are there really 3.5 billion 'progressives'?

Do you happen to have a link to that survey?

Do you for some reason think that only progressives are exploited under this system and want to take from the mega wealthy? I'm referring to the recent revelation that 87 douchebags have as much wealth as half the planet.
 
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The Nazis were dominated by socialites, rich upper middle class etc.
 
Remember those dozens of times Glenn Beck tried to compare what's happening in America to Nazi Germany and then people like j-mac chewed it up and right wingers thought they were accurate comparisons until Lewis Black chewed him a new asshole with a 10 minute long joke about how retarded you sound when you compare things like political discourse to Nazi Germany? No? Well, neither do most of the people who think this guy has a valid point to make.
 
Remember those dozens of times Glenn Beck tried to compare what's happening in America to Nazi Germany and then people like j-mac chewed it up and right wingers thought they were accurate comparisons until Lewis Black chewed him a new asshole with a 10 minute long joke about how retarded you sound when you compare things like political discourse to Nazi Germany? No? Well, neither do most of the people who think this guy has a valid point to make.


The whole National Socialist thing seems to really confuse people which no basic grasp of history.
 
Do you for some reason think that only progressives are exploited under this system and want to take from the mega wealthy? I'm referring to the recent revelation that 87 douchebags have as much wealth as half the planet.

Half the planet plus 87 makes for an incoherent revelation.
 
Remember those dozens of times Glenn Beck tried to compare what's happening in America to Nazi Germany and then people like j-mac chewed it up and right wingers thought they were accurate comparisons until Lewis Black chewed him a new asshole with a 10 minute long joke about how retarded you sound when you compare things like political discourse to Nazi Germany? No? Well, neither do most of the people who think this guy has a valid point to make.

You should have a look at Chromiums posts.
 
The whole National Socialist thing seems to really confuse people which no basic grasp of history.

Most people don't understand that socialist in the 19th-early 20th century was a catch all phrase for anybody who even had the smallest lean towards collectivism. Just as were progressive conservatives (Germany), social Catholics (also progressive), progressive racists there were Libertarian socialists, religious socialists, Muslim socialists, etc. I think in Nazi Germany terms it was called "socialism" to ward off the (ironically) liberal and individualist currents that separated whites.
 
Most people don't understand that socialist in the 19th-early 20th century was a catch all phrase for anybody who even had the smallest lean towards collectivism. Just as were progressive conservatives (Germany), social Catholics (also progressive), progressive racists there were Libertarian socialists, religious socialists, Muslim socialists, etc. I think in Nazi Germany terms it was called "socialism" to ward off the (ironically) liberal and individualist currents that separated whites.

People also forgot that it was the upper/middle classes that heavily supported the Nazis because they feared the communists taking all of their hard earned money, Jews were just collateral damage. Easy for the Rich Germans to forgot about when they were sipping on champagne in Paris.
 
Really seriously? You want to try to make images like I do? Go for it.
I dont give a **** about making pretty images. I care about having an actual marketable degree in a field that isnt saturated and finding a job. Hows that working out for folk?
 
I dont give a **** about making pretty images. I care about having an actual marketable degree in a field that isnt saturated and finding a job. Hows that working out for folk?

WHOAAA talk about stereotypes!
 
Since you are not likely among the 1% either, i can say the same to you, but instead you so blindly defend abhorrent comparisons on the "suffering" of the 1% in america to that of jews under nazi jermany. That is what i condemn. If there any truth to it, the 99% would have shoved him into extermination camp long ago.

I'm at a top business school but have no desire to slave my life away for some i-bank or become a vulture capitalist. I'm aware of studies on happiness and how after around $60k/year, wealth makes no difference, yet rich assholes like this billionaire will go to no end to step on others just to eek out an extra million. At the same time, i'm aware that some motivation is needed for anyone to bother with medical or engineering school. My solution then:

Wealth is capped at $70k/year
Minimum salary $40k/year

Confiscated wealth from billionaires will cover health care for all, food and shelter for homeless, repairing america's broken roads and infrastructure, and college costs for the 10% or so who take it seriously

All one has to do is read your post here to see why the comparison is valid.
 
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Oh, the poor, poor billionaires! They're so much like the Jews in Nazi Germany, being persecuted and all, rounded up and put into concentration camps where they're starved, worked to death, and gassed.

I feel so sorry for them, and have so much empathy, I'd be glad to join them just any time and feel their pain.

What a crock.

And now there is talk of prohibiting the filling of any new swimming pools in California due to the drought where this billionaire resides. How much more can these people take?
 
It used to be people got college degrees in fields that left them employable and didnt spend 6 years getting an Art History Liberal Arts degree.

They got liberal arts degrees when I was in college (1960-64), and then went out with a fresh diploma in hand and got jobs with futures. They weren't trained for their jobs in the beginning, but had proven that they could be trained, could set goals, had some language and math skills. Moreover, at least in the formerly great state of California, they could get that four year degree without paying tuition and incurring huge student debt, unlike the current generation.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

And now there is talk of prohibiting the filling of any new swimming pools in California due to the drought where this billionaire resides. How much more can these people take?
Or when can those living with less money learn to be happy in other areas rather than resenting the rich?

Why This Millennial Quit His 6-Figure Job And Gave Away Most Of His Possessions - Yahoo Finance Canada
 
They got liberal arts degrees when I was in college (1960-64), and then went out with a fresh diploma in hand and got jobs with futures. They weren't trained for their jobs in the beginning, but had proven that they could be trained, could set goals, had some language and math skills. Moreover, at least in the formerly great state of California, they could get that four year degree without paying tuition and incurring huge student debt, unlike the current generation.
Your typical liberal arts degree qualifies you to be...unemployed. We have a family friend who earned his PhD in Midievil Literature. That qualifies him to be either a professor of Midievil Lit (and you would be SHOCKED at just how few of those positions there are) or a night supervisor on a loading dock at a WalMart regional center. And while THEY may not have run up that debt, SOMEONE had to pay for it.

The point is...you cant just get a degree in a field you like and expect that to translate into a career. Granted....hell...you can take advanced classes in Beyonce now...but that still leaves you in debt and unemployed. Times change. The job market changes. If you arent following market trends and preparing for a future you are dying.
 
Your typical liberal arts degree qualifies you to be...unemployed. We have a family friend who earned his PhD in Midievil Literature. That qualifies him to be either a professor of Midievil Lit (and you would be SHOCKED at just how few of those positions there are) or a night supervisor on a loading dock at a WalMart regional center. And while THEY may not have run up that debt, SOMEONE had to pay for it.

The point is...you cant just get a degree in a field you like and expect that to translate into a career. Granted....hell...you can take advanced classes in Beyonce now...but that still leaves you in debt and unemployed. Times change. The job market changes. If you arent following market trends and preparing for a future you are dying.

All that is true, and moreover, you'd better guess right when predicting what is going to be the in demand skills in another four or five years. Guess wrong, and you wind up in one of those wonderful Walmart stocking positions.

And, yes, the general BA in liberal arts is certain to be a poor bet.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

Or when can those living with less money learn to be happy in other areas rather than resenting the rich?

Why This Millennial Quit His 6-Figure Job And Gave Away Most Of His Possessions - Yahoo Finance Canada

Why is it always the poor vs the rich and the rich vs the poor.
I have known some very decent rich people and very decent poor people.
I have known some very rotten rich people and very rotten poor people.

But with that said I think the thing that bothers me the most about some rich people is the continous pity parade. Perhaps they just don't realize they are rich. As the old saying goes how a goldfish grows to the size of their bowl.
 
All that is true, and moreover, you'd better guess right when predicting what is going to be the in demand skills in another four or five years. Guess wrong, and you wind up in one of those wonderful Walmart stocking positions.

And, yes, the general BA in liberal arts is certain to be a poor bet.
I agree...but its not really a guessing game. There is no real secret about what the emerging technologies and viable future career fields are. If you are going to college and havent at least considered that...you will probably end up unemployed with a mountain of debt. Obama mentioned tech and trade careers and he really does have a rock solid point there. Not everyone has to go to college to become successful. Not everyone SHOULD go to college...certainly not people that are using it as a place to hang out while they figure out what they want to be when they grow up.
 
I agree...but its not really a guessing game. There is no real secret about what the emerging technologies and viable future career fields are. If you are going to college and havent at least considered that...you will probably end up unemployed with a mountain of debt. Obama mentioned tech and trade careers and he really does have a rock solid point there. Not everyone has to go to college to become successful. Not everyone SHOULD go to college...certainly not people that are using it as a place to hang out while they figure out what they want to be when they grow up.

No, not everyone should go to college, that's for sure, and yes, technology is the way to go, but what technology? It's likely that the jobs ten or so years from now will be based on technology that doesn't even exist yet. Technology is changing at the pace of a geometric progression. Training has to be ongoing, and it is expensive.
 
No, not everyone should go to college, that's for sure, and yes, technology is the way to go, but what technology? It's likely that the jobs ten or so years from now will be based on technology that doesn't even exist yet. Technology is changing at the pace of a geometric progression. Training has to be ongoing, and it is expensive.
True enough...and thats kinda the point. You have to seeka degree in a marketable field with an eye on emerging technologies. Just about any 4 year degree with the word 'engineer' in the title will be one that can be adapted...provided that you stay on top of the markets. IT design and engineer. Energy, robototics, materials processing, bio...all will sustain you provided you dont become complacent. The medical/nursing field and especially psych nursing will continue to grow. Corrections and law enforcement...there will ALWAYS be a need. Marketing...a good marketer is worth their weight in gold to a developing company. A little bit of research goes a long way...especially when it is your future you are talking about. I get that some want to go to school...be an english lit major, and be the next great novelist. Saaaaaweeeeeeeet. But...the odds of that happening are very limited. So...go to school, become a petrochem engineer,and write in your spare time. One starts at about 100k while the other starts with an application for Burger King.
 
True enough...and thats kinda the point. You have to seeka degree in a marketable field with an eye on emerging technologies. Just about any 4 year degree with the word 'engineer' in the title will be one that can be adapted...provided that you stay on top of the markets. IT design and engineer. Energy, robototics, materials processing, bio...all will sustain you provided you dont become complacent. The medical/nursing field and especially psych nursing will continue to grow. Corrections and law enforcement...there will ALWAYS be a need. Marketing...a good marketer is worth their weight in gold to a developing company. A little bit of research goes a long way...especially when it is your future you are talking about. I get that some want to go to school...be an english lit major, and be the next great novelist. Saaaaaweeeeeeeet. But...the odds of that happening are very limited. So...go to school, become a petrochem engineer,and write in your spare time. One starts at about 100k while the other starts with an application for Burger King.

That post should be required reading for high school seniors, maybe sooner, but not until after they've figured out that the 50% or so who think they'll become professional athletes won't actually make the team.
 
That post should be required reading for high school seniors, maybe sooner, but not until after they've figured out that the 50% or so who think they'll become professional athletes won't actually make the team.
My favorites are the ones that are just certain that they will make a career of being a professional gamer. I wish I could say I was kidding...
 
Ok the Nazi party was insane and highly organized. They created gas chambers because the men shooting women and children into ditches had a hard time doing it, so the only "humane" thing to do for the disturbed soldiers was making efficient killing factories. The rallies before the Nazi's rise to power were nothing like the Occupy protest. These were full on events that involved thousands. In the span of 5 years the Nazi Party membership went up from a few hundred to tens of thousands. This is all a very bad comparison.
 
True enough...and thats kinda the point. You have to seeka degree in a marketable field with an eye on emerging technologies. Just about any 4 year degree with the word 'engineer' in the title will be one that can be adapted...provided that you stay on top of the markets. IT design and engineer. Energy, robototics, materials processing, bio...all will sustain you provided you dont become complacent. The medical/nursing field and especially psych nursing will continue to grow. Corrections and law enforcement...there will ALWAYS be a need. Marketing...a good marketer is worth their weight in gold to a developing company. A little bit of research goes a long way...especially when it is your future you are talking about. I get that some want to go to school...be an english lit major, and be the next great novelist. Saaaaaweeeeeeeet. But...the odds of that happening are very limited. So...go to school, become a petrochem engineer,and write in your spare time. One starts at about 100k while the other starts with an application for Burger King.

It seems to me, because most jobs are created by small business, that more should be done in entrepreneurial studies than happens right now. The attitude seems to be that entrepreneurs are just born that way, which is true in a way, but the same could be said for doctors, mechanics or hairdressers.

Many people have ideas for a business but often are discouraged by the bureaucracy, the fear of failure, their own lack of experience, the skepticism of others, and so on. But being your own boss and succeeding or failing on your own merits is a liberating feeling, whether you end up as a millionaire or not.

Why this is not given more attention in schools, rather than some of the questionable courses taught, has long been a puzzlement. Were more people familiar with the process there might also be less resentment against those who have been successful.
 
That post should be required reading for high school seniors, maybe sooner, but not until after they've figured out that the 50% or so who think they'll become professional athletes won't actually make the team.

Are you talking about those high school seniors whose parents have no problem plunking down money on the Mega Millions Lottery which gives them 1 in 259 million chance of winning?
 
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