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Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi [W:185]

Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

Are you not, in this very thread, stirring up hatred for the poor just like the Nazis?
Not at all. I am pointing out the hatred of the occupy crowd.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

I feel the same way about the policies of the republican party and other right wingers

The difference is, the right is more likely to pursue a Holocaust than the Occupy movement.

After all, OWS directs their criticism towards 1% of the population. The right directs its' criticism towards 47%
Was the Jewish population in Germany closer to 47%, or 1%?
 
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I see the expression of disapproval regarding some of the outcomes of capitalism being conflated with "hate speech" directed at the rich. And then some ridiculous hyperbole about how any and all taxes are government force, and the idiotic idea that a market is either free or not free, as if "free market" is some sort of binary.

That's the best you've got? That's "radical hate speech?" Please. Worse things have been said by the right-wingers in this thread alone.
violence to advance their agenda + the occasional guillotine poster + Jump you bastards = expression of disapproval regarding some of the outcomes of capitalism? K
 
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Nice try....Let me remind you Ditto, that your postings are still available to see even a couple of hours later....You opened your very first post in this thread with...

"Oh, the poor, poor billionaires!"

Now, I know I am no where near the smartest guy in the world, hell, I'm not even the smartest person in my house, but can you show me where you are talking about a specific person in that opening?
The OP was about a billionaire complaining that billionaires were being mistreated, was it not?
 
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I can't say I agree with him fully, although, there is something in the air concerning progressives that is disconcerting to say the least...The outright hate for those who have made lots of money, rooted in mostly jealous rage could boil over, but I don't think we are there now...What he says is spot on though.

Yes...spot on. Cause being rich in America currently is totally just like being a Jew in Germany during WW II. Exactly the same. :roll:
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

Not at all. I am pointing out the hatred of the occupy crowd.
You've also been critical of people receiving government assistance. Slaves, etc.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

53 people were killed during the LA riots. How many people might an angry mob kill if this festers?

And how many of them were rich?
 
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I've said it three times now....I don't believe he is talking about taxation policy....Can we get past that into the demonization going on please?
No, because most are just proving him right and the aces point you're making for you. This is a damned funny thread.
 
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1) 3% increase in top marginal tax brackets
2) Genocide

Ugh, such a tough choice to make.

He may be a bit hyperbolic, but you can't say the left never uses hyperbole or demagogy to make their points can you ?


And in essence what he said is true ?

When did America ever decide it was ok to focus on envy as a legislative jumping off point ? Seriously, thats the childish central theme of your Presidents state of the union address...

It's literally the best he can do considering how sick this Countries economy is. Take from those who have more and let the Government do it for you.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's tone down the attacks lest I have to persecute someone... and I persecute equally with no concern for race, creed, color, wealth, political ideology, or shoe size.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

If the rich are so scared, they should hire more security. I mean, they obviously have the money to do so and they would be keeping their side of the bargain by creating jobs. Of course, don't expect too much security if they plan on paying minimum wage.
 
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The OP was about a billionaire complaining that billionaires were being mistreated, was it not?

Not entirely true...He was talking about the times before the all out Nazi crackdown in Germany, and how the mood among today's Occupy crowd, and even those that go along with the current administrations demonetization of those with wealth, ie; 'you didn't build that', along with always furthering the theme of "fair share" is stirring up an animosity between the different income, and social classes that wouldn't be all that difficult to spark over into action that could be dangerous.

You think he is whining, when he is actually making a valid point. The masses are not that hard to whip up into frenzy with the right language, and Soros can tell you about that...After all how many collapses has he been behind? More than one I can tell you that. Van Jones, Dangerous person if you ask me, and the journalism community has embraced him by giving him a platform on CNN, this is a man that openly called for violent revolution, and expressed himself a communist.

We often only see what we want to see, Lord knows I am guilty of that from time to time, but listen, we as a nation have to stop this nonsense of talking about wealthy, successful people as though they are taking something from the rest of us, instead of going after the dream ourselves.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

Not entirely true...He was talking about the times before the all out Nazi crackdown in Germany, and how the mood among today's Occupy crowd, and even those that go along with the current administrations demonetization of those with wealth, ie; 'you didn't build that', along with always furthering the theme of "fair share" is stirring up an animosity between the different income, and social classes that wouldn't be all that difficult to spark over into action that could be dangerous.

You think he is whining, when he is actually making a valid point. The masses are not that hard to whip up into frenzy with the right language, and Soros can tell you about that...After all how many collapses has he been behind? More than one I can tell you that. Van Jones, Dangerous person if you ask me, and the journalism community has embraced him by giving him a platform on CNN, this is a man that openly called for violent revolution, and expressed himself a communist.

We often only see what we want to see, Lord knows I am guilty of that from time to time, but listen, we as a nation have to stop this nonsense of talking about wealthy, successful people as though they are taking something from the rest of us, instead of going after the dream ourselves.

The "you didn't build that" remark referred to infrastructure, highways bridges and the like. It was taken out of context and used as a mantra, which actually helps the right wing not at all.

But, that's beside the point.

Yes, there is a certain amount of envy directed at people with great wealth. Some of those billionaires actually amassed that wealth themselves, others didn't. The chances that any of the great unwashed who actually work for wages could ever become billionaires is so tiny that "going after the dream" is more like trying to win the lottery.

And the idea that the masses are going to rise up and capture the wealthy and imprison them for this envy is ludicrous.

But, once again, if he's really afraid that his wealth might result in him being treated as the Jews were treated by the Nazis, my offer to take that terrible burden off of his hands still stands.

Or, if he is a Christian, then of course, he will want to follow the admonitions of Jesus. "Take all that thou hast, give unto the poor, and come, follow me."

Now, that would make headlines.
 
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Many of you all, not you specifically but not not you specifically but I have to be passive aggressive to avoid infractions, are complete morons for comparing Nazi Germany to the Occupy Movement. You know when Occupy wanted some bankers out of town they camped out front of their offices, when the Nazis wanted some Jews out of town they organized a mob and burned their business down and drove them out through the streets.

There are no similarities, people who think they are god damn sick human beings.


your innaction and deafness is the same as the German population before the rise of Hitler.. you speak like each year Obama not stirring up more hatred and he is..
 
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The "you didn't build that" remark referred to infrastructure, highways bridges and the like. It was taken out of context and used as a mantra, which actually helps the right wing not at all.

But, that's beside the point.

Oh no, no you don't. :spank: You don't get to make a declarative statement then just brush it over, as though only your point gets to stand....It was NOT taken out of context, the excuse of Obama speaking about infrastructure like roads, was only the cover for a larger Marxist point he was making with that statement. If he doesn't want stupid things to be used as mantra's against him, then he shouldn't embrace such vitriolic, contemptible, and hyperbolic speech when he wants to attack those that disagree with him. He accomplished two things in that sentence, 1. he let his taker mentality base know that he understands they want more stuff at others expense, and 2. He threaten business by ramping up animosity felt by those who don't own businesses.

Yes, there is a certain amount of envy directed at people with great wealth. Some of those billionaires actually amassed that wealth themselves, others didn't. The chances that any of the great unwashed who actually work for wages could ever become billionaires is so tiny that "going after the dream" is more like trying to win the lottery.

Let's be clear here, it isn't only "Billionaires" that this vitriol and threat is directed at today, it is anyone that attains success. It was a billionaire that wrote the original article to the paper, but we are talking about a larger problem.

And the idea that the masses are going to rise up and capture the wealthy and imprison them for this envy is ludicrous.

I am sure that the rich during the French Revolution thought the same before anything happened...Didn't end too well for them did it now?

But, once again, if he's really afraid that his wealth might result in him being treated as the Jews were treated by the Nazis, my offer to take that terrible burden off of his hands still stands.

Note, after using the same joke more than twice it gets just plain dumb.

Or, if he is a Christian, then of course, he will want to follow the admonitions of Jesus. "Take all that thou hast, give unto the poor, and come, follow me."

Notice in that quote of scripture it doesn't say anywhere in it, "at the tip of the Roman Spear."

Now, that would make headlines.

Ah, I see....So he only deserves your respect if he gives all of his money away eh? Pretty presumptuous of you Ditto.
 
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Oh no, no you don't. :spank: You don't get to make a declarative statement then just brush it over, as though only your point gets to stand....It was NOT taken out of context, the excuse of Obama speaking about infrastructure like roads, was only the cover for a larger Marxist point he was making with that statement. If he doesn't want stupid things to be used as mantra's against him, then he shouldn't embrace such vitriolic, contemptible, and hyperbolic speech when he wants to attack those that disagree with him. He accomplished two things in that sentence, 1. he let his taker mentality base know that he understands they want more stuff at others expense, and 2. He threaten business by ramping up animosity felt by those who don't own businesses.

The statement in context:


"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

but that's still beside the point.

Let's be clear here, it isn't only "Billionaires" that this vitriol and threat is directed at today, it is anyone that attains success. It was a billionaire that wrote the original article to the paper, but we are talking about a larger problem.

If "anyone who attains success" means the middle class, then I totally disagree. The middle class is becoming an endangered species, with wealth concentrated in a few hands while the vast majority of Americans can only dream of being middle class.

The way to counter this envy is to make attainment of middle class status as easy as it was back in the '50s and '60s, when I was working to attain that goal.

I am sure that the rich during the French Revolution thought the same before anything happened...Didn't end too well for them did it now?

So, we've gone from the billionaires being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany to the middle class being guillotined?

Note, after using the same joke more than twice it gets just plain dumb.



Notice in that quote of scripture it doesn't say anywhere in it, "at the tip of the Roman Spear."

nor did I suggest that government power be involved in any way.

Ah, I see....So he only deserves your respect if he gives all of his money away eh? Pretty presumptuous of you Ditto.

Nor did I say that. If he did give his money away and spend all of his energy and time trying to follow the admonitions of Christ, then he would make news.
 
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The statement in context:




but that's still beside the point.

My points stand.

If "anyone who attains success" means the middle class, then I totally disagree. The middle class is becoming an endangered species, with wealth concentrated in a few hands while the vast majority of Americans can only dream of being middle class.

Why are you trying so hard to dishonestly frame what I said...It isn't the false dichotomy you present here...It's not either billionaire, or middle class thousandaire...There are many in between. This OWS, meme about wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, is just part of the narrative that feeds the threat.

The way to counter this envy is to make attainment of middle class status as easy as it was back in the '50s and '60s, when I was working to attain that goal.

Bring manufacturing back, bring capital back, open up Keystone (at this point there is NO reason to continue to block it), open up drilling. But this narrative that the pie is static, and that we can only be as prosperous as the lowest common denominator is foolish period.

nor did I suggest that government power be involved in any way.

You may not suggest it, but that is the theme we see today.

Nor did I say that. If he did give his money away and spend all of his energy and time trying to follow the admonitions of Christ, then he would make news.

Oh, so you are into making nonsense points to junk things up....I get it....
 
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My points stand.
But not on their own. They have to be propped up by BS, as there are no facts to support them.


Why are you trying so hard to dishonestly frame what I said...It isn't the false dichotomy you present here...It's not either billionaire, or middle class thousandaire...There are many in between. This OWS, meme about wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, is just part of the narrative that feeds the threat.

Wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few. That is a fact. More and more of it is in fewer and fewer hands. That is also a fact. How we deal with that fact is the issue.


Bring manufacturing back, bring capital back, open up Keystone (at this point there is NO reason to continue to block it), open up drilling. But this narrative that the pie is static, and that we can only be as prosperous as the lowest common denominator is foolish period.

Yes, encourage workers to be represented by unions, educate the youth in science, mathematics, technology and make college more affordable, there are lots of things that could be done to bring back middle class America.



You may not suggest it, but that is the theme we see today.


Yes, on that we agree. The government forcing people to give up wealth is not the way to go. We've seen the results of "nationalizing" in other nations.

Oh, so you are into making nonsense points to junk things up....I get it....

Not to "junk things up", but to illustrate that having wealth must not be such a bad thing. Few are willing to get rid of it and go live like the hoy polloy.
 
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1) 3% increase in top marginal tax brackets
2) Genocide

Ugh, such a tough choice to make.

Clearly you missed the analogy to the "demonization" of a group of people, not the outcomes, and jumped right into more demonization.
 
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your innaction and deafness is the same as the German population before the rise of Hitler.. you speak like each year Obama not stirring up more hatred and he is..

Your right if someone wanted to send you to a gas chamber I may not actually say anything.
 
Re: Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecuti

your innaction and deafness is the same as the German population before the rise of Hitler.. you speak like each year Obama not stirring up more hatred and he is..

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But not on their own. They have to be propped up by BS, as there are no facts to support them.

Oh come now...Just because you want so hard to dismiss the thought of it, I think you are letting your own opinion get in the way. It is clear what the push of Obama was with that narrative...And many American's found it offensive.


Wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few. That is a fact. More and more of it is in fewer and fewer hands. That is also a fact. How we deal with that fact is the issue.

We could deal with it in many ways that have nothing to do with Government intervention.

Yes, encourage workers to be represented by unions, educate the youth in science, mathematics, technology and make college more affordable, there are lots of things that could be done to bring back middle class America.

Union membership is a relic of a foregone past. They no longer have a place in today's society. Many have seen, and hopefully learned the lesson of what out of control negotiations have done to harm business, and jobs, and don't want to repeat that nightmare. As for education I agree. We need stronger focus on educating our young people, and less focus on nonsense degrees, and tenured, bloated administrations that do little to educate, and are all about protecting the academic bloat.

Yes, on that we agree. The government forcing people to give up wealth is not the way to go. We've seen the results of "nationalizing" in other nations.

Agreed, but the current populist bent, unfortunately is all about nationalizing.

Not to "junk things up", but to illustrate that having wealth must not be such a bad thing. Few are willing to get rid of it and go live like the hoy polloy.

Why should they? If I worked hard all my life to build wealth, and did things right to get there, why should I just give it up? What's the incentive in that case to get there?
 
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Your right if someone wanted to send you to a gas chamber I may not actually say anything.

classy... good to know my insticts are never wrong..
 
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is that some sort of sick comedy?...consdiering this sub human killed part of one side of my family

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