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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    As was pointed out it only affects new contracts not existing ones. which means it will help next to no one as most government contract workers make more than 10 dollars an hour anyway. it is nothing more than a thumping of the chest move that has little to no impact on anything.

    why doesn't he got onto his own party for not paying their interns? that is the real question. all these chest thumpers on minimum wage but refuse to pay the people that work for them since they are well lucky to be my intern.

    what is worse for obama is that hey plans on probably facing a hostile congress all the way around.

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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    As was pointed out it only affects new contracts not existing ones. which means it will help next to no one as most government contract workers make more than 10 dollars an hour anyway. it is nothing more than a thumping of the chest move that has little to no impact on anything.

    why doesn't he got onto his own party for not paying their interns? that is the real question. all these chest thumpers on minimum wage but refuse to pay the people that work for them since they are well lucky to be my intern.

    what is worse for obama is that hey plans on probably facing a hostile congress all the way around.
    "On Tuesday morning, at a breakfast discussing the State of the Union address later in the evening, Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters that President Obama is on dangerous ground on his use of executive orders. Essentially, Boehner issued a veiled threat stating that if the President thinks he can enact more change by circumventing Congress and utilizing executive orders, then Obama could be facing a backlash from Congressional Republicans. While he did not overtly state it, it seemed pretty clear he was talking about impeachment.

    “We’re just not going to sit here and let the President trample all over us. This idea that he’s just going to go it alone, I have to remind him we do have a constitution. And the Congress writes the laws, and the President’s job is to execute the laws faithfully. And if he tries to ignore this he’s going to run into a brick wall.”

    John Boehner Threatens President Obama With Impeachment Over Use Of Executive Orders

    Ofcourse we will see. So far Boehner has been little more than a place holder.
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    With a Supreme Court case looming relating to one such example of him bypassing Congressional authority and attepmting to use unilateral authority, I can see a SOTU focused on his unilateral powers to be a potential Political pitfall. If that case at the SCOTUS goes against him, then a SOTU thumping his chest about his ability to circumvent the checks and balances viewed as essential to our form of government in order to take extensive unilateral action will surely provide ample kindling to those who'd like to make the issue into a bonfire
    And if SCOTUS does rule in his favor, we have perhaps an even larger problem. Not only will he be running with his permission slip, watch out for the next and then the next presidency. I'm amazed that people don't connect the dots and draw the easy and natural conclusion that we are watching the creation of an imperial presidential office that WILL NOT BODE WELL FOR AMERICANS going forward. But hope that we Americans ever would apply the breaks, hell no! Americans are FAR TOO partisan for that. Those who are yelling the loudest now, will be suddenly silent or apologetic when next their man is in the White House doing his unilateral movements despite congress. And those who now are scurrying about to prop up their president and make every excuse imaginable to condone their guy doing it, will be once again the yellers and the screamers. So, we are destined to the loss of our once unrivaled political system, because TEAM is more important than America.
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "On Tuesday morning, at a breakfast discussing the State of the Union address later in the evening, Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters that President Obama is on dangerous ground on his use of executive orders. Essentially, Boehner issued a veiled threat stating that if the President thinks he can enact more change by circumventing Congress and utilizing executive orders, then Obama could be facing a backlash from Congressional Republicans. While he did not overtly state it, it seemed pretty clear he was talking about impeachment.

    “We’re just not going to sit here and let the President trample all over us. This idea that he’s just going to go it alone, I have to remind him we do have a constitution. And the Congress writes the laws, and the President’s job is to execute the laws faithfully. And if he tries to ignore this he’s going to run into a brick wall.”

    John Boehner Threatens President Obama With Impeachment Over Use Of Executive Orders

    Ofcourse we will see. So far Boehner has been little more than a place holder.
    We could only hope. But there's a lot of room between, expect congressional backlash, and IMPEACHMENT!
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We could only hope. But there's a lot of room between, expect congressional backlash, and IMPEACHMENT!
    Well, we have to see how far King Obama takes his threats....I think people are getting fed up with being dictated to.
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, we have to see how far King Obama takes his threats....I think people are getting fed up with being dictated to.
    No, just republicans are. In a couple years it will be your guy doing it and you'll be all smiles, and the dumb ass democrats will be raising hell. It works great for the oligarchy that you mindless parti-bots perpetuate their agenda for them.
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda - WSJ.com

    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday night will seek to shift the public's souring view of his leadership, a challenge the White House sees as critical to shaping the nation's policy direction over the next three years.

    Mr. Obama will emphasize his intention to use unilateral presidential authority—bypassing Congress when necessary—to an extent not seen in his previous State of the Union speeches, White House officials said.

    He also is expected to announce that some of the nation's largest employers, including Xerox Corp. XRX -4.42% , AT&T Inc., T -1.12% Lockheed Martin Corp. LMT -1.81% and Procter & Gamble Co. PG +1.20% , have signed a White House pledge agreeing not to discriminate against the long-term unemployed when making hiring decisions, according to a draft of the policy and interviews with several people familiar with the matter.



    Let me guess...something about inequality?
    That idiot is insistent on pushing us towards revolt, isn't he.

    I guess on the plus side, if the GOP gains the Senate after November, then he is giving them plenty to act on to remove him by this time next year.
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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "On Tuesday morning, at a breakfast discussing the State of the Union address later in the evening, Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters that President Obama is on dangerous ground on his use of executive orders. Essentially, Boehner issued a veiled threat stating that if the President thinks he can enact more change by circumventing Congress and utilizing executive orders, then Obama could be facing a backlash from Congressional Republicans. While he did not overtly state it, it seemed pretty clear he was talking about impeachment.

    “We’re just not going to sit here and let the President trample all over us. This idea that he’s just going to go it alone, I have to remind him we do have a constitution. And the Congress writes the laws, and the President’s job is to execute the laws faithfully. And if he tries to ignore this he’s going to run into a brick wall.”

    John Boehner Threatens President Obama With Impeachment Over Use Of Executive Orders

    Ofcourse we will see. So far Boehner has been little more than a place holder.
    Boehner is about as usless as nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. he is nothing more than a tool. i wish when electing these guys we could get a true leader in the position.

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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Also, a few things on this since the standard talking point is the AMOUNT of executive orders. While some hard liners are the types that think EO's should not exist and are entirely unconstitutional, I believe most accept there is a certain amount of leeway there for the POTUS.

    However, SIMPLY looking at quantity is basically cherry picking a metric and isn't an honest response to the critism coming out, as it's somewhat losing the forest through the trees.

    If you have a basketball player putting up 25 shots a game and gets criticized for shooting so much, simply pointing to a previously player that shot 30 times a game doesn't singularly give it an excuse. Why? What was the old players shooting percentage compared to the new player. What TYPES of shots being taken, high percentage ones near the basket or threes? What was the makeup of the team around either, potentially necessitating a larger roll in shooting, etc.

    Same thing here, SIMPLY looking at the number of EO's alone is a poor reading of the frustration. The reach and extent of the particular EO's comes into play, ie what they actually do. The level of political interest in a paritcular topic matters to a degree (is it an EO on a contentious political issue hotly debated during the last election season, or is it some obscure bit of politicing that the public generally holds little real opinion on). Is it an action similar to, or a part of, something that was attempted to pass through the legislature and failed, and thus is more of an end around? And how have the various actions actually stood up in the court of law when challenged? Additionally, does the unilateral action extent even beyond the issuing of executive orders to other things, such as decreeing Congress to be "in session" when they decree they aren't.

    There's a lot of potential aspects and avenues to the issue here beyond simply the AMOUNT that has happened. This is also not a singularly republican issue, as you have Democrats like Alaskan Senator Mark Begich and West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin both voicing unease and disagreement with the President's actions and proposed actions.

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    Re: Obama to Assert Unilateral Agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Also, a few things on this since the standard talking point is the AMOUNT of executive orders. While some hard liners are the types that think EO's should not exist and are entirely unconstitutional, I believe most accept there is a certain amount of leeway there for the POTUS.

    However, SIMPLY looking at quantity is basically cherry picking a metric and isn't an honest response to the critism coming out, as it's somewhat losing the forest through the trees.

    If you have a basketball player putting up 25 shots a game and gets criticized for shooting so much, simply pointing to a previously player that shot 30 times a game doesn't singularly give it an excuse. Why? What was the old players shooting percentage compared to the new player. What TYPES of shots being taken, high percentage ones near the basket or threes? What was the makeup of the team around either, potentially necessitating a larger roll in shooting, etc.

    Same thing here, SIMPLY looking at the number of EO's alone is a poor reading of the frustration. The reach and extent of the particular EO's comes into play, ie what they actually do. The level of political interest in a paritcular topic matters to a degree (is it an EO on a contentious political issue hotly debated during the last election season, or is it some obscure bit of politicing that the public generally holds little real opinion on). Is it an action similar to, or a part of, something that was attempted to pass through the legislature and failed, and thus is more of an end around? And how have the various actions actually stood up in the court of law when challenged? Additionally, does the unilateral action extent even beyond the issuing of executive orders to other things, such as decreeing Congress to be "in session" when they decree they aren't.

    There's a lot of potential aspects and avenues to the issue here beyond simply the AMOUNT that has happened. This is also not a singularly republican issue, as you have Democrats like Alaskan Senator Mark Begich and West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin both voicing unease and disagreement with the President's actions and proposed actions.
    I don't know that there are people who think EO's are "unconstitutional" but extra constitutional. Using them to instruct people in detail how to execute anything that itself is within constitutional bounds, no problem, its if and when it's not, that becomes a problem.
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