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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    Some 'thinker' you are. Gaddafi was a socialist ..but you don't know that.

    THIS is the work of a socialist ..



    I'm not real sure that you want to continue down this road brother .. you don't appear to have enough information to do so.
    Gaddafi was a dictator with a cult of personality who hijacked Islamic, Socialist, Republican, and Ethnic verbiage and symbols to suit his purposes over his 42 year rule. You need to reevaluate.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    The rebels were demonstratively not al-Qaeda. Only certain factions and militias were Islamists, even today they are not a majority and though they have caused deep grief for the new Libyan republic they have been unable to overthrow the state or remove its democratic foundation. The workers and people of Libya deserved better than a plutocratic dictatorship and have taken a step forward despite the problems they now face. Again you don't sound like much of a socialist you seem to be missing the international brotherhood part. Socialism means more than criticizing the alleged machinery of US Imperialism.
    Oh really ..

    THIS is one of the largest demonstrations in world history, 1/3 of the entire country .. THIS is the Libyan people standing in protest AGAINST NATO bombing and FOR Gaddafi ..



    AND by the way .. Obama's lie about Gaddafi is exposed just 15 seconds into the video.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Oh really ..

    THIS is one of the largest demonstrations in world history, 1/3 of the entire country .. THIS is the Libyan people standing in protest AGAINST NATO bombing and FOR Gaddafi ..



    AND by the way .. Obama's lie about Gaddafi is exposed just 15 seconds into the video.
    No it wasn't. It was several thousand demonstrators who were brought out by fear, inducement, and ethnic affinity.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    Gaddafi was a dictator with a cult of personality who hijacked Islamic, Socialist, Republican, and Ethnic verbiage and symbols to suit his purposes over his 42 year rule. You need to reevaluate.
    With all due respect, you need to educate yourself, not just swallow whatever they stick in your face.

    You keep talking, but you aren't explaining what I'm sticking in your face. If Gaddafi was so hated by his people, explain the massive demonstration for him.

    If he was so terrible .. do you get free education and healthcare .. cradle-to grave? Libyans did under Gaddafi. Explain the video.

    If you intend to just shout down evidence you don't know, can't explain .. that won't work.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    With all due respect, you need to educate yourself, not just swallow whatever they stick in your face.

    You keep talking, but you aren't explaining what I'm sticking in your face. If Gaddafi was so hated by his people, explain the massive demonstration for him.

    If he was so terrible .. do you get free education and healthcare .. cradle-to grave? Libyans did under Gaddafi. Explain the video.

    If you intend to just shout down evidence you don't know, can't explain .. that won't work.
    I'm well educated, however I suspect you are less than well informed on the subject. I'm also fascinated by your logic: Free education & Healthcare = Dictatorship is acceptable? Using that metric I assume you have no qualms whatsoever with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The delivery of services to a people does not change the character of the government. Which in this case was a kleptocratic dictatorship centered around a personality cult.

    I think you need to change your tag. You clearly aren't a socialist.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No it wasn't. It was several thousand demonstrators who were brought out by fear, inducement, and ethnic affinity.
    That is not only a display of incredible 'unlearnedness' :0) .. you didn't read the comments, didn't even think to google it.

    Green Square: Exposing the Mainstream Media in Libya

    The mainstream media has been hiding the facts and the realities on the ground in Libya. The Libyan people have been gathering in massive rallies across Libya. These rallies demonstrate the widespread support of the Libyan people for Colonel Qaddafi and their opposition of the Libyan people to NATO and the Benghazi-based Transitional Council.
    Green Square: Exposing the Mainstream Media in Libya

    Libya: 1.7 Million People March Demanding End to NATO Bombing
    Libya: 1.7 Million People March Demanding End to NATO Bombing

    The Real Libya Before Rothschild’s New Army-NATO: See What Americans Are Missing – See What NATO Is Destroying / The truth about Libya under Qaddafi – NATO Ushers In The Death Of Democracy In Libya

    On July 1, 2011: 1.7 Million people in Tripoli Libya gathered in Green Square to protest the NATO bombing. That’s 95% of the city population. One Third (1/3) of the entire population of Libya.
    The Real Libya Before Rothschild’s New Army-NATO: See What Americans Are Missing – See What NATO Is Destroying / The truth about Libya under Qaddafi – NATO Ushers In The Death Of Democracy In Libya

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm well educated, however I suspect you are less than well informed on the subject. I'm also fascinated by your logic: Free education & Healthcare = Dictatorship is acceptable? Using that metric I assume you have no qualms whatsoever with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The delivery of services to a people does not change the character of the government. Which in this case was a kleptocratic dictatorship centered around a personality cult.

    I think you need to change your tag. You clearly aren't a socialist.
    You're still talking, but you aren't demonstrating any of that so-called 'well educated.' I've put plenty of evidence on the table .. but you keep talking about me. That is decidedly unintelligent.

    Care to address the evidence?
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    So? This isn't an election or popularity contest Mr. Sovereignty. Each country gets to make its own determination in this regard, and thankfully most of the countries of quality and the bulk of the regionally relevant countries made the right choice. The UNSC resolution is legally irrelevant because it wasn't necessary for military action to take place.
    Easy for you to say. The countries that are irrelevant must of course be the countries that oppose the action. Isn't that always the way this game is played? You're young I recall and haven't seen enough of it, but of older Americans, I just wonder when they are going to tire of being lied into wars that have as their basis a completely different agenda then the spoken? Trumped up allegations of rape and torture to gin up public support for another war of aggression.


    Human rights organisations have cast doubt on claims of mass rape and other abuses perpetrated by forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, which have been widely used to justify Nato’s war in Libya.

    Nato leaders, opposition groups and the media have produced a stream of stories since the start of the insurrection on 15 February, claiming the Gaddafi regime has ordered mass rapes, used foreign mercenaries and employed helicopters against civilian protesters.

    An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.


    http://vivalibya.wordpress.com/2011/...addafi-forces/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...r-2302037.html
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    There was no need for the resolution in the first place. All of the countries involved had the right to intervene on behalf of the new government formed in Benghazi. The UNSC resolution provided the political cover and pretext for the NATO resolution that followed.
    Man, have you no understanding of international law, and what UN membership even means. Your pro-war mentality is hawkish to the point you want to use our military anywhere the president says we need to, and without question. You need to start paying closer attention. Presidents, for a very long time have used deceit, intrigue, and every manner of false flag events, lies and accusations, whatever has been necessary to gain public support for war that has little to do with human rights and much to do with corporatism. You must always look beyond the smoke to find what's really at the heart of US military campaigns, stop being naive.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    BINGO

    That, and the country was not devastated and destroyed before Cowboy Obama came to town.

    What we did in Libya is a crime against humanity.
    Correct, and neither Doctors Without Borders, or Amnesty International found evidence of widespread rape, torture and killing as reported by Obama. They said often the claims were outright discredited. This is why I can't understand how people fail to see the connection made by Russia who saw clearly that the allegations were false, they had been monitoring events on the ground via satellite and said they too saw no evidence of the claims. They also pointed out that we were targeting structures with high levels of civilians in or nearby, and, that instead of just protecting a no fly zone, the coalition was targeting the Gaddafi government. And this leads directly to the reason that Russia and China vetoed all attempts by the US to secure a resolution to use force in Syria, the US can't be trusted!!
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