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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It explicitly forbid boots on the ground and the arming of rebels. There was objections to some of the targets early on which concerned many that the US and NATO were going beyond the resolutions intent and seeking regime change.

    I am an American and live in America and therefore concern myself with American politics, policy and standing in the world. The other countries you mentioned have their own citizens that protest and object to their own countries policies.

    The efforts of Moscow and Beijing, however, have not hindered Washington and its NATO allies from breaching international law or U.N. Resolution 1973. Washington has casually admitted that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was on the ground supporting rebel forces. According to Washington, the involvement of U.S. intelligence agents in Libya started as soon as the U.S. embassy in Tripoli was closed. [1] February 25, 2011, is the date that the U.S. embassy in Tripoli was reported as being closed. [2]

    This is a casual omission that the U.S. had violated international law and was operating on the ground in Libya before any U.N. approval. Moreover, Italy had opened its military bases to use by the U.S., Britain, and France before any U.N. approval by repudiating its non-aggression pact with Libya on February 27, 2011. [3] In other words, the war against Libya had already begun.

    Unnamed U.S. officials even told Reuters that U.S. intelligence operations were underway in Libya before President Obama signed a secret order in March 2011 that authorized covert U.S. actions against the Libyan government. [4] The U.S. was not alone in operating in Libya. It has been reported that dozens of British agents and commandos from MI6, the Special Air Services (SAS) unit, and the Special Boat Services (SBS) units were also operating inside Libya. [5]

    These foreign forces in Libya were sent to prepare for the war by selecting targets to be bombed. [6] Even before the attacks were launched, both Britain and France even announced plans in November 2010 for war games that envisioned attacking Libya under the exercise codename “SOUTHLAND.” [7] The British and French military assets being mobilized for these drills ended up being used to attack Libya. [8] November 2010, according to the Italian journalist Franco Bechis of Italy’s Libero, also happened to be the time that Paris started planning for regime change in Libya.

    NATO’s Secret Ground War in Libya | Global Research
    Let's stick to your claim that the resolution forbade intervention on the ground. Which sentences/articles do you have in mind.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    Let's stick to your claim that the resolution forbade intervention on the ground. Which sentences/articles do you have in mind.
    . U.N. resolution 1973, passed in March, authorized member states “to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country, including Benghazi.” But the resolution also explicitly forbids “a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” The al-Jazeera film appears to suggest that codicil is being ignored. And the Arab League has distanced itself from the alliance, protesting that it endorsed a no-fly zone, not the heavy shelling with attendant civilian casualties that has ensued.

    Read more: The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    . U.N. resolution 1973, passed in March, authorized member states “to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country, including Benghazi.” But the resolution also explicitly forbids “a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” The al-Jazeera film appears to suggest that codicil is being ignored. And the Arab League has distanced itself from the alliance, protesting that it endorsed a no-fly zone, not the heavy shelling with attendant civilian casualties that has ensued.

    Read more: The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com
    So occupation was forbidden. And? That means other troops are okay in UN Speak. You know that.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So occupation was forbidden. And? That means other troops are okay in UN Speak. You know that.
    OF ANY FORM! ON ANY PART OF LIBYAN SOIL. There were forces of various forms occupying Libyan soil. The French were supplying the rebels (with al Qaeda amongst their ranks) with arms, further violating the resolution and the US was using tomahawk cruise missiles on targets inconsistent with the resolution and directed toward regime change.

    Special forces troops from several countries were occupying Libyan soil for weeks and months directing and aiding the insurgents in their search for Gaddafi. This was a direct violation of the resolution. I don't understand why you would defend this breach as you do other than in an attempt to protect US image, but that baby is busted.

    For more than two pages now, you have brought me nothing but your opinion, I have linked multiple sources documenting the abuse of resolutions 1970 and 1973. So I'm wasting no more time on another apologist for abuse of US power.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    OF ANY FORM! ON ANY PART OF LIBYAN SOIL. There were forces of various forms occupying Libyan soil. The French were supplying the rebels (with al Qaeda amongst their ranks) with arms, further violating the resolution and the US was using tomahawk cruise missiles on targets inconsistent with the resolution and directed toward regime change.

    For more than two pages now, you have brought me nothing but your opinion, I have linked multiple sources documenting the abuse of resolutions 1970 and 1973. So I'm wasting no more time on another apologist for abuse of US power.
    "Occupation force" is the important phrase. Nobody occupied nor wanted to occupy as well you know. Why should anybody want to occupy that place? Possibly it would have helped the freedom fighters. But as it stood? All they did was give the Libyans a shot at freedom, which they seem to be squandering.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Suffice to say, intervention in Libya was immoral, criminal, unethical, criminal, unconscionable, and criminal. If anyone thinks otherwise, they been sucking on the Kool-aid stick too long. Nothing said here will counter their successful mind bending and they even think they are patriots. Maroons.
    Yes of course, but the apologists for US crimes against humanity, do not care! The coalition, for targeting areas that left heavy civilian casualties quickly lost Arab support. And this finds support here!!

    And the Arab League has distanced itself from the alliance, protesting that it endorsed a no-fly zone, not the heavy shelling with attendant civilian casualties that has ensued.

    Read more: The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2011/06/01/bri...#ixzz2rcpowBNw
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is directly the result of the US abusing the UN resolution to use force to protect the civilians, to overthrow the Libyan dictatorship, destabilizing the country as we have been doing elsewhere s in the ME.
    Changed that for you to make it more accurate. Let's not pretend a just and legitimate government was toppled.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    OF ANY FORM! ON ANY PART OF LIBYAN SOIL. There were forces of various forms occupying Libyan soil. The French were supplying the rebels (with al Qaeda amongst their ranks) with arms, further violating the resolution and the US was using tomahawk cruise missiles on targets inconsistent with the resolution and directed toward regime change.

    Special forces troops from several countries were occupying Libyan soil for weeks and months directing and aiding the insurgents in their search for Gaddafi. This was a direct violation of the resolution. I don't understand why you would defend this breach as you do other than in an attempt to protect US image, but that baby is busted.

    For more than two pages now, you have brought me nothing but your opinion, I have linked multiple sources documenting the abuse of resolutions 1970 and 1973. So I'm wasting no more time on another apologist for abuse of US power.
    They were invited in by the legitimate representative of the Libyan people: the Libyan opposition. No other authorization was necessary. The UNSC resolution was merely a political catalyst for allowing these justifiable activities to take place.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    . U.N. resolution 1973, passed in March, authorized member states “to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country, including Benghazi.” But the resolution also explicitly forbids “a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” The al-Jazeera film appears to suggest that codicil is being ignored. And the Arab League has distanced itself from the alliance, protesting that it endorsed a no-fly zone, not the heavy shelling with attendant civilian casualties that has ensued.

    Read more: The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com The Mystery of the Soldiers Filmed on the Ground near Misrata: Are NATO Land Forces in Libya? | TIME.com
    Special Forces & Advisers =/= Occupation Force.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They were invited in by the legitimate representative of the Libyan people: the Libyan opposition. No other authorization was necessary. The UNSC resolution was merely a political catalyst for allowing these justifiable activities to take place.
    Sorry. But that is completely false. Do not categorize the UN as some ceremonial formality. It AUTHORIZED conditional use of force, conditions that the US and NATO failed to follow!!!!
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