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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    In other words, you have no answers for the questions I asked.
    Because your questions are push-poll bait questions that aren't based in reality and that are clearly designed to trap anyone who answers them. Exposing your questions as being salivating worship of a maniac is far better than wasting my time by addressing each one individually.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I provided you with other sources concurring. You too denying special ops forces were operating inside Libya before and during the uprising?
    You are correct Monte. British SAS and former SAS were inside Libya. As a matter of fact.....some were caught at the very beginning of the conflict, by Gadhafi.

    The question for some reason still remains open.....on whether it is best to remove a dictator for the betterment of all others. Wherein stability is looked upon. So far the track record has not been stability left in the wake of trying to democratize such nations. It has been the opposite. Chaos and division of the people and whatever country.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Because your questions are push-poll bait questions that aren't based in reality and that are clearly designed to trap anyone who answers them. Exposing your questions as being salivating worship of a maniac is far better than wasting my time by addressing each one individually.
    :0) Wrong.

    You simply could not answer them without making your corporatist clown president look like Bush.

    Thanks for playing.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Libya Chaos Worsens

    WASHINGTON — Libya is plunging deeper into political turmoil with the country’s beleaguered government warning foreign shippers against loading crude oil from terminals in the East of the country controlled by federalist militias, and a majority of Libya’s fractious parliamentarians seemingly wanting to dismiss Prime Minister Ali Zeidan but unable to agree on a replacement.

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    “Libya is not one big mess,” says North Africa expert Bill Lawrence, a visiting professor of Political Science and International Affairs at George Washington University. “It is a bunch of little messes that are not very related. So, the string of assassinations in Benghazi is very different from the political game involved in the militias and their GNC allies in Tripoli, which is different from what’s going on in the borders, which is different from the fighting over smuggling of the trafficking in the South, different from the ethnic conflicts in other communities, and what is happening at the oil facilities. We tend to conflate this all because of the catastrophic weakness of the military and the police.”
    Libya Chaos Worsens

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    An excellent read for the open-minded.

    NATO’s War on Libya – Not a Humanitarian Intervention

    Maximilian Forte’s book on the Libyan war, Slouching Towards Sirte: NATO’s War on Libya and Africa ( Baraka Books, 2012), is another powerful (and hence marginalized) study of the imperial powers in violent action, and with painful results, but supported by the UN, media, NGOs and a significant body of liberals and leftists who had persuaded themselves that this was a humanitarian enterprise. Forte shows compellingly that it wasn’t the least little bit humanitarian, either in the intent of its principals (the United States, France, and Great Britain) or in its results. As in the earlier cases of “humanitarian intervention” the Libyan program rested intellectually and ideologically on a set of supposedly justifying events and threats that were fabricated, selective, and/or otherwise misleading, but which were quickly institutionalized within the Western propaganda system.

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    Forte shows that the factual base for Gaddafi’s alleged threat to civilians, his treatment of protesters in mid-February 2011, was more than dubious. The claimed striking at protesters by aerial attacks, and the Viagra-based rape surge, were straightforward disinformation, and the number killed was small—24 protesters in the three days, February 15-17, according to Human Rights Watch—fewer than the number of alleged “black mercenaries” executed by the rebels in Derna in mid-February (50), and fewer than the early protester deaths in Tunis or Egypt that elicited no Security Council effort to “protect civilians.” There were claims of several thousand killed in February 2011, but Forte shows that this also was disinformation supplied by the rebels and their allies, but swallowed by many Western officials, media and other gullibles. That the actual evidence would induce the urgent and massive response by the NATO powers is implausible, and the rush to arms demands a different rationale than protecting civilians in a small North African state. Forte provides it, compellingly—Obama and company were seizing the “window of opportunity” for regime change.
    NATO’s War on Libya – Not a Humanitarian Intervention | Global Research
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    :0) Wrong.

    You simply could not answer them without making your corporatist clown president look like Bush.

    Thanks for playing.
    You couldn't answer my questions either. Can anyone who thinks that he is the modern incarnation of Abraham Lincoln and the leader of a global jihad be considered a sane person? That is far more relevant than whatever bread-and-circuses that the Gaddafi dictatorship provided its people, and whatever blatantly wrong propaganda videos you posted.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You couldn't answer my questions either. Can anyone who thinks that he is the modern incarnation of Abraham Lincoln and the leader of a global jihad be considered a sane person? That is far more relevant than whatever bread-and-circuses that the Gaddafi dictatorship provided its people, and whatever blatantly wrong propaganda videos you posted.
    Did I miss something? Did I miss you being able to counter the so-called 'propaganda videos?'

    No, you didn't / couldn't. :0)

    Suggesting that Gaddafi was a leader of a 'global jihad' deems you seriously unlearned.

    What 'global jihad' might that be?
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They were invited in by the legitimate representative of the Libyan people: the Libyan opposition. No other authorization was necessary. The UNSC resolution was merely a political catalyst for allowing these justifiable activities to take place.
    I don't see how the NTC was a" legitimate representative" -Qaddafi was in good standing (in general) with the world community.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Did I miss something? Did I miss you being able to counter the so-called 'propaganda videos?'
    It's a video about the war being instigated by the Rothchild's to further their banking interests, witch should discredite it on it's own. But when asked to substantiate those claims, as with most responses to anything you post, you simply ignored it and continued repeating the same lines

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you're quoting front page magazine, a publication I'm sure montecristo and yourself would easily recognize the faults with if we were discussing any other subject. And while I question the rational of supporting the Libyan opposition, the idea of citing popularity figures for Gaddafi in territory he held is rather mung headed given his style of rule. The same with citing his popularity among african leaders. Being that he was known as a revolutionary force and supporter, much like Castro (who mandela also supported). And such popularity doesn't translate to the idea that he was a just leader of his people.

    And while he did take an iron hand approach to addressing jihadists within his country, he did the same to any opposition force, be it socialist, democratic, or anarchist. He was a violent dictator, no questions about it. And that hardly changes due to the fact that he spent some of the oil wealth, that he used to fuel an insanely extravagant lifestyle and considered little more than his own personal piggy bank, to deliver health care to his preferred populations
    I don't have a problem with these characterizations, no dictatorial rule is perfect, it's going to be uneven.

    I would hope we understand the regime change "go to switch" the neocons (and I include Obama in this) want to throw always produces "blowback"

    The blowback to the Libyan people was, and is, a continual dysfunctional country. We got Bengazi.
    On the whole I think we got less from our/NATO misadventures, then the Libyan people got shafted.
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