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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Pretty much. Up with democratic hegemony, down with dictatorship, and onwards with the new liberal world order. Democratic states can deal with each other on an equitable basis. Autocratic states have no rights except those which are expedient to this purpose. That others take international law seriously is important because of how it creates binding norms that both restrain and produce pretexts.
    What are these ****ing "norms" to which you speak. US policy of attacking weak ME countries on fabrication of lies?
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What are these ****ing "norms" to which you speak. US policy of attacking weak ME countries on fabrication of lies?
    What norms? A whole cavalcade of norms. The norm of non-democracy being a negative thing, the norm of inter-state conflict being heavily stigmatized, the norms of human rights standards, the norm of nuclear weapons non-proliferation, etc, etc. These things are all reinforced by a general belief that there is an international code that must be adhered to. It has proven extremely useful in the spread of democracy, the suppression of illiberal actors, and the cultivation of peace.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    They report a documented total of 55. Maybe it is higher, maybe not I don't know. What I do know is that the figure is miniscule compared to those slain by the continuance of the civil war, and those killed by Gaddafi's suppression campaign. It is also indicative of the nature of the NATO campaign which did its utmost to avoid such casualties over it's nearly eight month duration.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media...igated-2012-03
    That's because those are the civilians killed by proxy in covert operations on the ground, aid, logistics, satellite imagery, weapons and direction given to the rebels to aid them in the overthrow of the Libyan government.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What norms? A whole cavalcade of norms. The norm of non-democracy being a negative thing, the norm of inter-state conflict being heavily stigmatized, the norms of human rights standards, the norm of nuclear weapons non-proliferation, etc, etc. These things are all reinforced by a general belief that there is an international code that must be adhered to. It has proven extremely useful in the spread of democracy, the suppression of illiberal actors, and the cultivation of peace.
    But you have already positioned yourself in not believing in international codes (are they secret codes, or are they law), unless they support US goals of imperialism, then of course they are just fine.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Global research?

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Global research?
    Although NATO explicitly stated that it had "no intention of deploying land forces anywhere in Libyan territory," the New York Times asserts that this was not the case. A NATO diplomat and another NATO official confirmed to the Times today that "Britain, France and other nations deployed special forces on the ground inside Libya to help train and arm the rebels." The NATO special forces troops almost certainly also coordinated close air support as rebel units advanced into the capital.
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Al Jazeera this week aired footage showing 11 armed Europeans meeting with Libyan rebels. U.K. newspapers reported that the men were former British special forces working for a private security firm hired by the British government to help the opposition topple Moammar Gadhafi. Officially, the British government says it has no personnel in Libya, but a senior military source told the Daily Mirror that the men "are representing Britain." Is NATO overstepping the United Nations mandate to protect civilians, and inching into a ground war to destroy the Gadhafi regime?


    http://theweek.com/article/index/215...round-in-libya
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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's because those are the civilians killed by proxy in covert operations on the ground, aid, logistics, satellite imagery, weapons and direction given to the rebels to aid them in the overthrow of the Libyan government.
    Not only were the bulk killed by Gaddafi with his superior arsenal and use of such weaponry on Libyan cities, but the war would never have lasted as long as it did if the dictator in Tripoli had stepped down.

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Al Jazeera this week aired footage showing 11 armed Europeans meeting with Libyan rebels. U.K. newspapers reported that the men were former British special forces working for a private security firm hired by the British government to help the opposition topple Moammar Gadhafi. Officially, the British government says it has no personnel in Libya, but a senior military source told the Daily Mirror that the men "are representing Britain." Is NATO overstepping the United Nations mandate to protect civilians, and inching into a ground war to destroy the Gadhafi regime?


    Are NATO troops already on the ground in Libya? - The Week
    Thankfully they were! =D

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    Re: Egyptian embassy staff "seized" in Libya

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    Global research?
    It is a conspiracy and crack pot website. Everything from 9/11 Truth to Chem Trails.

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