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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    First of all, unless the patient has a DNR in place (there is a special form) or a DPOA or living will, if they come into the hospital they are considered "full codes".Not sure why you would bring up that example. Weird.

    But when they are pronounced dead, the care stops.
    This is true, and care does not stop unless an MD orders it.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    It has to do with a reckless attempt to force a dead woman to lay there and gestate a non-viable fetus...which the husband was against. That was a very stealth attempt by the hospital to deny the husband rights to have his wife removed from life support and therefore...the allowing the fetus to pass.

    Call it what you will...But as Sarah Palin use to love to say: A pig with lipstick is still a pig.
    You do realize there's no force against the dead woman, yes? Dead people lay there on their own. There was force against the husband's right to property, not the corpse.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    They weren't at all confused. They were playing an underhanded legal game...and they lost.
    They were?

    For what purpose? Please cite evidence.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I noted in my comments, in reference to the article, the hospital only came to the decision that the fetus was no longer viable either today or very recently. As such, the hospital, in effect, supported the petition of the husband in court. That is why the judge ruled in his favour.

    In my view, there's no need to be disgusted with the hospital for following the law and trying to save the fetus - that's honorable. It's also honorable that when they determined the fetus could not survive, they joined the petition to remove life support. I would hope that every hospital could be so ethical and honorable when dealing with difficult situations such as this.
    "The hospital" is not the entity making the decisions. The MD is.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    1.)You are free to do as you like so long as you do not infringe upon the rights of others.
    2.) At this point, we claim the woman's right to choose supersedes the fetus' right to life.
    3.) That distinction goes away should the woman die, as it can no longer possess a right to choose.
    4.) So then we go to contract, and an individual may state through contract that they do not wish to be revived should they die and that is also fine...so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of another.
    5.) However, the fetus brings another into the equation and now you have corpse vs. human, and I would say in that battle human should typically win.
    6.)Husband does have property rights over the corpse, but again everything is limited by the rights of others.

    7.)And just because there are laws that make something illegal does not mean that the law is based in a right.
    1.) correct
    2.) id say we claim he right to life and her right to choose supersedes the fetus's until it is decently viable
    3.) she already made her choice just like with other things, wills, last wishes, how the body is to be treated etc. this isnt un heard of and i see no reason to go against it. again only my opinion and why i want it to go to court. I see no logic to justify it.
    4.) correct
    5.) but the 14 week has no rights so in the equation its still rights vs none
    6.) and legally there are no others he is the husband/father

    7.) not sure "exactly" what you are saying but i didnt claim it so it doesnt matter
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I do not know enough about these things, but how is it possible to keep anything alive inside of something brain dead and decaying? Science is wonderful, but nature does what nature does! This make me want to throw up, for the fetus's sake!

    Greetings, CJ.
    A person on life support is not 'decaying.'
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    They were?

    For what purpose? Please cite evidence.
    Ben, I'm not doing this with you. Read the article. See what non existing statutory reason they used to keep the woman on life support. IT WAS NONSENSE!

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The whole thing plays out like the plot of a horror movie.....except for the ending.
    Watch for it on LMN.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) correct
    2.) id say we claim he right to life and her right to choose supersedes the fetus's until it is decently viable
    3.) she already made her choice just like with other things, wills, last wishes, how the body is to be treated etc. this isnt un heard of and i see no reason to go against it. again only my opinion and why i want it to go to court. I see no logic to justify it.
    4.) correct
    5.) but the 14 week has no rights so in the equation its still rights vs none
    6.) and legally there are no others he is the husband/father

    7.) not sure "exactly" what you are saying but i didnt claim it so it doesnt matter
    The "14 week thing" is human life with the potential to be what we'd agree is a person. A dead person has no potential. Corpse has no rights, so we have the right to life on part of the fetus vs right to property on part of the husband. In that case, I'd err on the side of human life.

    There's no logic to deny the life of a human over desires of inanimate objects.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    How can you disagree? The hospital's defense was published what . They were WRONG.

    They had zero guarantee that if they kept that deformed fetus alive to viability that it would live. And if it lived...and it would have been against the wishes of the father, would the hospital assume financial liability for however long the child lived?
    Man, you guys wish it was that easy to get out of caring for your children! LOL. What a fantasy.
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