Page 6 of 21 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 205

Thread: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

  1. #51
    Canadian Conservative
    CanadaJohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:24 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    27,189

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That's not quite true according to the statutes...actually.

    Even if she had a valid medical directive...here's is how they read in Texas.


    But the failed case by the hospital is that the statute requires them to keep the fetus alive until viability. NONSENSE. That's a pro-life hospital administrator trying to get around abortion rights.
    Even though you protested about it earlier, I see you're still trying to make this case about abortion rights and it has ZERO to do with abortion rights.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

  2. #52
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,798

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    RvW is applicable only to humans. A corpse is not human.
    her choice was to abort by no reviving her and she has a living husband who is also the father, its applicable

    iddont see how that holds up when this law is challenged


    if dead people have no rights, **** em

    lets chop them up, take all their organs for others etc etc but we dont do that because there are some rights and laws that protect you even after death.
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  3. #53
    Sage



    Join Date
    May 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,250

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That's not quite true according to the statutes...actually.

    Even if she had a valid medical directive...here's is how they read in Texas.


    But the failed case by the hospital is that the statute requires them to keep the fetus alive until viability. NONSENSE. That's a pro-life hospital administrator trying to get around abortion rights.
    Here is the judges ruling

    Judges Order on Munoz Matter

    The law does not apply because SHE IS DEAD.

  4. #54
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,904

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I'll check it out...
    Thank you. I haven't read anything about any named hospital administrator.

  5. #55
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) correct and that window is 24 weeks which was not achieved yet
    2.) Her decision is to not revive her which would end her pregnancy, her choice.
    also she has a husband, who by law is her, they are one, he is also the father and their is family

    i still see zero justification for this law and i cant imagine any reason for it to hold up once challenged and it to be found worthy of violating RvW and other rights.

    also dead people do have some rights, well, or at least laws that protect them. abusing your dead body is a crime, after you die if you had a request for your body to be treated in a way according to your religion and i just came along and through it in the wood chipper thats a crime too.
    You are free to do as you like so long as you do not infringe upon the rights of others. At this point, we claim the woman's right to choose supersedes the fetus' right to life. That distinction goes away should the woman die, as it can no longer possess a right to choose. So then we go to contract, and an individual may state through contract that they do not wish to be revived should they die and that is also fine...so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of another. However, the fetus brings another into the equation and now you have corpse vs. human, and I would say in that battle human should typically win.

    Husband does have property rights over the corpse, but again everything is limited by the rights of others.

    And just because there are laws that make something illegal does not mean that the law is based in a right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  6. #56
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    her choice was to abort by no reviving her and she has a living husband who is also the father, its applicable

    iddont see how that holds up when this law is challenged


    if dead people have no rights, **** em

    lets chop them up, take all their organs for others etc etc but we dont do that because there are some rights and laws that protect you even after death.
    I am 100% for recycling. I don't think we should have cemeteries or anything of the sort, it's a waste of land. You're dead, you're dead. Harvest the organs for living humans, recycle the rest. Keep a personal monument of remembrance in your own home.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  7. #57
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,798

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    on a side note im actually happy this wasnt me, if i had no kids i would have DEFINITELY went to jail, theres is no way i would have let the hospital disrespect and defile my wife's dead body for two months. Jail time would be worth it to put my family at rest.
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  8. #58
    Irremovable Intelligence
    Removable Mind's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Austin, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    23,500

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Even though you protested about it earlier, I see you're still trying to make this case about abortion rights and it has ZERO to do with abortion rights.
    It has to do with a reckless attempt to force a dead woman to lay there and gestate a non-viable fetus...which the husband was against. That was a very stealth attempt by the hospital to deny the husband rights to have his wife removed from life support and therefore...the allowing the fetus to pass.

    Call it what you will...But as Sarah Palin use to love to say: A pig with lipstick is still a pig.

  9. #59
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    on a side note im actually happy this wasnt me, if i had no kids i would have DEFINITELY went to jail, theres is no way i would have let the hospital disrespect and defile my wife's dead body for two months. Jail time would be worth it to put my family at rest.
    They're already "at rest". Dead is dead. The dead don't give a **** about anything, they're dead. You cannot give a **** about anything when dead, you're dead.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  10. #60
    Irremovable Intelligence
    Removable Mind's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Austin, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    23,500

    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    IE I have no idea, I'll just assume the people in charge of the hospital were a bunch of bible thumpin, slack jawed yokels rather than educated people confused about legislation.

    No one believes the law needs to be re-worded?
    They weren't at all confused. They were playing an underhanded legal game...and they lost.

Page 6 of 21 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •