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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    curious why doesnt it go against RvW? aborting can be done for any reason prior to 24 weeks

    a law saying that this istuation negates that 24 week window no matter what the woman wanted is against that
    RvW is about a woman's right to choose and gives them a window in which they can have an abortion. But this wasn't a woman, this was a dead human. A dead human is no longer human, it is not a person, it has no rights; it's a thing. A corpse is a thing. Corpses have no rights. Ergo, it has nothing to do with RvW. As I said, there was claim to property (a corpse can be property), but that's it. Dead people have no rights.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    CNN reported that the judge said it was not applicable since she was dead.

    I am waiting for the transcript to make sure they got it right, though.
    That's not quite true according to the statutes...actually.

    Even if she had a valid medical directive...here's is how they read in Texas.

    If I acknowledge that all treatments may be withheld or removed except those needed to maintain my comfort. I understand that under Texas law this directive has no effect if I have been diagnosed as pregnant. This directive will remain in effect until I revoke it. No other person may do so.

    But the failed case by the hospital is that the statute requires them to keep the fetus alive until viability. NONSENSE. That's a pro-life hospital administrator trying to get around abortion rights.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the bill is really the only real contention, I don't see there being some moral quandary over keeping a body warm to protect and deliver a human.
    I couldnt care less about subjective morals yours or mine.

    the contention is that it goes against RvW

    i mean theres been no ruling on this so we'd have to see, its only my opinion but this is why i want this to go to court

    i cant see any way to justify it in this case and say it doesnt go against rights and RvW.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I couldnt care less about subjective morals yours or mine.

    the contention is that it goes against RvW

    i mean theres been no ruling on this so we'd have to see, its only my opinion but this is why i want this to go to court

    i cant see any way to justify it in this case and say it doesnt go against rights and RvW.
    RvW is applicable only to humans. A corpse is not human.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That's not quite true according to the statutes...actually.

    Even if she had a valid medical directive...here's is how they read in Texas.


    But the failed case by the hospital is that the statute requires them to keep the fetus alive until viability. NONSENSE. That's a pro-life hospital administrator trying to get around abortion rights.
    Oh, it was? What was his or her name? Was this hospital administrator a pro-life activist? What's your evidence?

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, it was? What was his or her name? Was this hospital administrator a pro-life activist? What's your evidence?
    I'll check it out...

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    How can you disagree? The hospital's defense was published what . They were WRONG.

    They had zero guarantee that if they kept that deformed fetus alive to viability that it would live. And if it lived...and it would have been against the wishes of the father, would the hospital assume financial liability for however long the child lived?
    The hospital, from what I've seen, in the last day or two determined that the fetus was not viable and thus joined the husband in his petition to remove life support. That is far different from your claim that the law did not apply. I suspect, had the hospital determined the fetus was still viable, we might have a different outcome and a certainty of appeal.

    The hospital wasn't wrong - the prognosis for the fetus changed, and therefore their position on application of the law changed.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    1.)RvW is about a woman's right to choose and gives them a window in which they can have an abortion.
    2.) But this wasn't a woman, this was a dead human. A dead human is no longer human, it is not a person, it has no rights; it's a thing. A corpse is a thing. Corpses have no rights. Ergo, it has nothing to do with RvW. As I said, there was claim to property (a corpse can be property), but that's it. Dead people have no rights.
    1.) correct and that window is 24 weeks which was not achieved yet
    2.) Her decision is to not revive her which would end her pregnancy, her choice.
    also she has a husband, who by law is her, they are one, he is also the father and their is family

    i still see zero justification for this law and i cant imagine any reason for it to hold up once challenged and it to be found worthy of violating RvW and other rights.

    also dead people do have some rights, well, or at least laws that protect them. abusing your dead body is a crime, after you die if you had a request for your body to be treated in a way according to your religion and i just came along and through it in the wood chipper thats a crime too.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I'll check it out...
    IE I have no idea, I'll just assume the people in charge of the hospital were a bunch of bible thumpin, slack jawed yokels rather than educated people confused about legislation.

    No one believes the law needs to be re-worded?

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, it was? What was his or her name? Was this hospital administrator a pro-life activist? What's your evidence?
    Well, Nota...let's start with this and I'll research the administrator...how's that?

    At JPS, we deliver over 6,000 babies a year - approximately 20% of all deliveries in Tarrant County. Our obstetrical program offers a wealth of amenities to help make childbirth a wonderful and positive experience.

    Maternity services at JPS begin long before the day of delivery. Parenthood is about much more than giving birth, and JPS offers unique prenatal services to help new mothers prepare for the arrival of a new family member and ensure that every child born at JPS has the best possible start in life.

    JPS is among the first in the region to become a designated Centering Pregnancy center, offering women the opportunity to receive expanded prenatal care under a new model thatís been tied to better birth outcomes. Expectant mothers in Centering Pregnancy prepare for motherhood in a small group setting, enjoying the benefits extended time with nurse practitioners and other healthcare providers, as well as the support of other new mothers. At JPS, the goal is that every pregnant woman begin receiving prenatal care by the 13th week of pregnancy, and women in Centering Pregnancy meet at least weekly until their babies are born.

    In addition, JPS promotes newborn sleep safety through the promotion of Safe to Sleep patient education. Focused on safe sleep habits for newborns, the program is shared with new parents through discharge teaching in the hospital and through its Centering Pregnancy prenatal groups.

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