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Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

AGENT J said:
weird, are you saying in your story we are all dead? who is they? lol
try to keep up
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OMG...this is the most pathetic deflection since anything Navy Pride has posted.
 
AGENT J said:
on a side note im actually happy this wasnt me, if i had no kids i would have DEFINITELY went to jail, theres is no way i would have let the hospital disrespect and defile my wife's dead body for two months. Jail time would be worth it to put my family at rest.
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"The hospital" is acting on MD orders.
 
AGENT J said:
i find that repulsive and hugely disrespectful and a violation of rights. You would have to kill me to take any member of my families body and do with it as YOU wish and not as they or i wanted.

I mean really, you show up for my daughter body or wife body for recycling and its not what they wanted or what thier religion wants? you WILL have to shoot me.

just saying lol :)

some people have religions that if you did that to them they dont make it to their kingodm or after life etc etc
in 2014 i would never support such a thing
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What violation of rights? The force here is exerted against the husband's right to property, that's it. Does property overrule human life?
 
Ikari said:
You do realize there's no force against the dead woman, yes? Dead people lay there on their own. There was force against the husband's right to property, not the corpse.
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In effect, yes, they did force a dead woman to lay on their premise to serve as an illegal incubator....

And yes, the husband had every right to become his wife's medical power of attorney despite her not leaving an Advanced Directive. And technically, he could ALSO have made the request to the hospital to ABORT the fetus. But that was being accomplished by the husband's request to remove the woman from life support.

The outcome would be two fold. One - the fetus would certainly die. Two - her body (in which the fetus resided) could then be removed from the hospital premise.
 
Ikari said:
1.)The "14 week thing" is human life with the potential to be what we'd agree is a person.
2.)A dead person has no potential.
3.) Corpse has no rights
4.) so we have the right to life on part of the fetus vs right to property on part of the husband.
5.) In that case, I'd err on the side of human life.

There's no logic to deny the life of a human over desires of inanimate objects.
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1.) i dont think its even that legally but that doesnt impact anything
2.) meaningless to me and this topic
3.) not true in a blanket statement
4.) its doesnt have that legal right
5.) you are free to do so
6.) of course there is the rights wife/mother. husband. father and family

again just my opinion but theres nothing you have present to change this
 
Ikari said:
OMG...this is the most pathetic deflection since anything Navy Pride has posted.
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its not a deflection at all, i simply have NO CLUE what the hell you were saying LMAO it made no sense, you lying wont help it make sense
 
Removable Mind said:
In effect, yes, they did force a dead woman to lay on their premise to serve as an illegal incubator....

And yes, the husband had every right to become his wife's medical power of attorney despite her not leaving an Advanced Directive. And technically, he could ALSO have made the request to the hospital to ABORT the fetus. But that was being accomplished by the husband's request to remove the woman from life support.

The outcome would be two fold. One - the fetus would certainly die. Two - her body (in which the fetus resided) could then be removed from the hospital premise.
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Not at all, you cannot force the dead. They forced the husband to delay claim of property. That's where the actual force in this case is.
 
AGENT J said:
its not a deflection at all, i simply have NO CLUE what the hell you were saying LMAO it made no sense, you lying wont help it make sense
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There is no lie, just apparently your inability to read. When you die, you have no rights. Is that a confusing statement? Sorry, but that's your problem.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) i dont think its even that legally but that doesnt impact anything
2.) meaningless to me and this topic
3.) not true in a blanket statement
4.) its doesnt have that legal right
5.) you are free to do so
6.) of course there is the rights wife/mother. husband. father and family

again just my opinion but theres nothing you have present to change this
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It is true, rights are held by the individual, not property. A corpse is not human, it is not an individual, it is not even alive. It is at best property, and property has no rights.

These are just emotional arguments you're making because you are caught up in the case. Emotion has no place in law.
 
Ikari said:
Indeed, an inanimate object's desires are not applicable particularly when they conflict with human life.
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You think the family is an inanimate object?
 
Maenad said:
A person on life support is not 'decaying.'
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I was going by the husband's affidavit to the court on his wife's condition. :peace:

Greetings, Maenad. :2wave:
 
Ikari said:
What violation of rights? The force here is exerted against the husband's right to property, that's it.
2.) Does property overrule human life?
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1.)the womans/mothers, fathers/husbands and families
2.) not talking about property vs life

its about rights vs the ZEFs life and in this case since the human life is a 14weeks id say absolutely :shrug:
 
AGENT J said:
1.)the womans/mothers, fathers/husbands and families
2.) not talking about property vs life

its about rights vs the ZEFs life and in this case since the human life is a 14weeks id say absolutely :shrug:
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You are in fact talking about property vs. life, no matter how much you wish to hide it. The husband has right to property over the corpse of his former wife. The fetus is a living, human organism. It's very clearly property vs. life for anyone who wants to be honest enough to admit it.
 
Removable Mind said:
Read, Ben...read. I've posted it several times...and along with the article about the court hearing.
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No you haven't. You've posted their position on when life sustaining treatment (as stated under law) may become unnecessary and are under no further obligation to provide. You have not demonstrated any malfeasance on the part of the hospital.
 
Ikari said:
1.)There is no lie, just apparently your inability to read.
2.)When you die, you have no rights. Is that a confusing statement? Sorry, but that's your problem.
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1.)nope you lied or guessed totally wrong pick one either way it was your problem. your mistake and fault not mine lmao
2.) simply not a blanket statement as already explained and everybody isnt dead so its not problem at all
 
polgara said:
I was going by the husband's affidavit to the court on his wife's condition. :peace:

Greetings, Maenad. :2wave:
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He didn't describe 'decaying.' He described contractures, a normal muscle event when someone becomes comatose. If there is an anticipation the person will come out of the coma, the staff is supposed to move the limbs and exercise the muscles so they will not become immovable.
 
AGENT J said:
1.)nope you lied or guessed totally wrong pick one either way it was your problem. your mistake and fault not mine lmao
2.) simply not a blanket statement as already explained and everybody isnt dead so its not problem at all
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Quit lying, I never claimed everyone was dead. I did in fact state that the husband has property rights, do please try to keep up. You're being overly emotional and it's not helping your arguments.
 
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