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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

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    Bless this family. They have suffered in a way that is cruel.
    GREAT NEWS!!!!!! THANK GOD!!!

    now i hope they sue the pants off the hospital for being forced to suffer like they did and abusing the wifes body.
    I also hope the law is thrown out in the future or minimum it is rewritten so it doesnt violate RvW and other individual rights.

    SO happy for the family for this to be over with i cant imagine the amount of pain and suffering and torture they were forced through.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

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    Texas hospital ordered to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman | Fox News

    I'd say that KNOWING that at least 6 of 30 babies in a similar circumstance developed normally would be a rather compelling reason NOT to pull the plug.
    Show me one of those cases that were as a result of a prolonged anoxic insult. Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

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    Why? If her body would survive birth and that life brought out of the womb, allowing it to die was needless, cruel and unethical.
    This was a fetus that suffered prolonged anoxic insult. The lack of viability was inevitable. If the doctors did not have a sense of that, then....they probably need some refresher courses.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

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    GREAT NEWS!!!!!! THANK GOD!!!

    now i hope they sue the pants off the hospital for being forced to suffer like they did and abusing the wifes body.
    I also hope the law is thrown out in the future or minimum it is rewritten so it doesnt violate RvW and other individual rights.

    SO happy for the family for this to be over with i cant imagine the amount of pain and suffering and torture they were forced through.
    To me the law was always clear. The subject was the pregnant patient. You do not continue life support to a brain dead patient. If the fetus was at a viable stage, deliver it.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    This was a fetus that suffered prolonged anoxic insult. The lack of viability was inevitable. If the doctors did not have a sense of that, then....they probably need some refresher courses.
    I don't know the case in detail, but if it was possible to carry to term they should have done all they can to save the child.

    How do you feel about hospitals denying care to an otherwise "viable" patient that would survive if they got that care? Say a man goes to the ER with angina developing to full on cardiac arrest. The hospital staff can save him, but should they say "well, it's against our wishes to save you for x reason" and let him naturally die? Ethically there isn't too much difference considering both are human lives. They are different cases with different considering, but in both they are allowing someone to die when there are means to save them available.
    I'm quite confident in my knowledge of biology though, refresher courses won't be needed.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Texas hospital ordered to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman | Fox News

    I'd say that KNOWING that at least 6 of 30 babies in a similar circumstance developed normally would be a rather compelling reason NOT to pull the plug.
    since rights are involved and this goes against them and RvW, no
    since the study was based on random sporadic info of varying (not really similar) cases of 30 in 30 years for 20%, no
    since the on avg they were 8 WEEKS further along, no

    i dont find it compelling at all, not even a little

    but then again all that is needed even even if it was 80% and matched the weeks perfectly and 1 million studies is this goes against rights, RvW and the womans, husbands and families wishes

    but you are free to be compelled
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    To me the law was always clear. The subject was the pregnant patient. You do not continue life support to a brain dead patient. If the fetus was at a viable stage, deliver it.
    agreed 100% feel so bad for the poor family
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Show me one of those cases that were as a result of a prolonged anoxic insult. Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.
    That information isn't readily available but if it turns out that even one of those situations was comparable (though the baby was a few weeks further along) would that change your mind?

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Bless this family. They have suffered in a way that is cruel.
    I would agree.

    And based on the evidence presented, I would agree that the court made the only appropriate ruling.

    I believe the operative words in the article presented are: Court documents filed on Friday by a family's lawyers and prosecutors representing a Ft. Worth hospital stated the fetus inside a brain-dead pregnant woman was "not viable." The court filing was the first time the hospital publicly acknowledged the deteriorating condition of the fetus and came just hours before the Friday afternoon hearing.

    I hope this puts to rest comments about the hospital having a hidden agenda and acting illegally. By all accounts I've seen, they seem to have been acting professionally and in compliance with the law, as they saw it.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't know the case in detail, but if it was possible to carry to term they should have done all they can to save the child.

    How do you feel about hospitals denying care to an otherwise "viable" patient that would survive if they got that care? Say a man goes to the ER with angina developing to full on cardiac arrest. The hospital staff can save him, but should they say "well, it's against our wishes to save you for x reason" and let him naturally die? Ethically there isn't too much difference considering both are human lives. They are different cases with different considering, but in both they are allowing someone to die when there are means to save them available.
    I'm quite confident in my knowledge of biology though, refresher courses won't be needed.
    First of all, unless the patient has a DNR in place (there is a special form) or a DPOA or living will, if they come into the hospital they are considered "full codes".Not sure why you would bring up that example. Weird.

    But when they are pronounced dead, the care stops.

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