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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You cannot access insurance in states that did not decide to pay for the federal PPACA program?
    The working poor are mostly out of luck in those states. If they do not meet criteria for medicate and are too poor for insurance or medical care.

    Wait till you get sick, lose your job and your home and you can qualify.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The working poor are mostly out of luck in those states.
    So the answer is no?

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Who gives a **** about any of that? Yeah - brain death is death, and she's dead.

    Her kid isn't. Her kid should have treatment.

    The judge's ruling in this case is nonsensical, according to what I have read it says that as a matter of law a brain dead patient can't be pregnant. That's absurd and it's obscene.

    Nothing that takes place at this point will cause one iota of harm to the deceased. The right thing to do is to treat the patient you can treat.

    It's ridiculous that this isn't the legal standard, regardless of jurisdiction.
    its a victory for rights and peace of the whole family
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Texas hospital removes brain-dead pregnant woman Marlise Munoz from life support - CBS News

    She was removed from "life support"

    May she finally rest in peace with her baby.

    I hope the family can move on, but after the torture that was inflicted upon them, it will be a tough road.

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    And if the hospital bills them for their 'services,' I hope they are sued to within an inch of their "corporations are people too, my friends" life.
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its a victory for rights and peace of the whole family
    That it is. And what a great article in HuffPo about those alleged 'right-to-lifers.'

    When Pro-life Goes Frankenstein: The Case of Marlise Munoz | Morgan Guyton
    Indeed, Rachel Cox at LifeNews berates Erick for wanting to honor his wife's wishes about her end-of-life care:

    Why is this father trying to find all the reasons why his wife and unborn child should be removed from life support and left to die, and not the reasons why they shouldn't? I find it very frustrating and disheartening that Erick Munoz thinks this way and also frightening that so many people actually agree with him. I believe these hopeless, negative attitudes about the Munoz family's situation are caused mainly by one thing: abortion. Abortion causes society to devalue human beings. When the abortion industry, media, and politicians pound in our heads over and over that unborn babies are blobs of disposable tissue, it's easier to see why someone would not be motivated to preserve the life of their "clump of cells."
    Of course. It's all abortion's fault. That's why Erick and his wife's parents, all of whom want to end life support, are seeking closure and the ability to grieve their loss. Because the abortion industry has corrupted their minds. That's why Erick doesn't want a brain-dead body that is only a shell of a person to be artificially respirated as a super-expensive, organic fetus incubator. Elizabeth Landau writes that using the terms "brain-dead" and "life support" is a big part of the problem. When the brain no longer functions, a person is not just "brain-dead"; they are all the way dead. "Life support" is a misnomer in such cases because what's happening with the person's body is not life, but just a sort of zombie un-death, no different than if a mad scientist figured out how to create an organ plantation in which livers and kidneys and stomachs and hearts could be harvested from recently dead people and incubated outside of human bodies to be transplanted in the future (hey, it might not be a bad idea, but it isn't human life).
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    That it is. And what a great article in HuffPo about those alleged 'right-to-lifers.'

    When Pro-life Goes Frankenstein: The Case of Marlise Munoz | Morgan Guyton
    nobody honest and educated takes tat serious not even honest and educated pro-lifers
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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Texas hospital removes brain-dead pregnant woman Marlise Munoz from life support - CBS News

    She was removed from "life support"

    May she finally rest in peace with her baby.

    I hope the family can move on, but after the torture that was inflicted upon them, it will be a tough road.
    Rest in peace mother and child. It's a very sad situation but both of you are together in good hands now.



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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    If the doctors are complying with a law that says they must keep the woman alive, yes, the hospital can charge. Wouldn't it be convenient when you got tired of granny, just to take her to a hospital as say, 'just go ahead and kill her?'
    They were not complying with the law. The judge recognized that the hospital understood that she was dead November 28th 2013 and has been dead since. The law does not apply to a dead person. Particularly a patient that has been dead for 2 months.

    Judges Order on Munoz Matter

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    Re: Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    And if the hospital bills them for their 'services,' I hope they are sued to within an inch of their "corporations are people too, my friends" life.
    I have to wonder if this is one of the reasons they did not sign the death certificate when she died in November, so they technically bill for services. Since they have now acknowledged she has been dead for 2 months, I cannot see how they could legally charge a dime.

    And since the judge has acknowledged the law did not pertain to dead people....they really have no cause to charge. They probably (clearly definitely)should have gone to the courts in November.

    Can you imagine that as insurance nickel and dimes living patients who need the care....they pay full out on a dead woman for 2 months of critical care???I would be so surprised if that happened.

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